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Old 07-01-08, 02:32 PM
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Any Civil War Buffs here?

Inspired by the article about Sherman's March in the Adventure Cyclist magazine. I'd like to work out a route that traced a major part of General Lee's foray into Pennsylvania up to Gettysburg and the retreat. Much of this is a very beautiful area and it would be nice to have a route connecting a lot of the battlefields.

Anyone want to give me a list of towns and battlefields in order so that I can work out a route. I live in and grew up in the area and scouting out good bike routes on the weekends would be fun.

Or has someone done this already? Even a link to a good map of Lee's route would be helpful. I couldn't find anything in several hours of googling.
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I commute through the Stones River National Battlefield every day on my commute. (Murfreesboro, TN) I don't know if it was on the route or not, but from what I've read the battle of Stones River was quite bloody. The Battlefield is supposed to be haunted, of course.
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Just a rough sketch but the Southern forces had marched north. Harpers Ferry, Hagerstown, Chambersburg. A portion of the army under Ewell continued north to the Carlislle area before being recalled and turning back south through Middletown area (I don't know exactly where). Hill and Longstreet came in from the west along the Chambersburg Pike from Chambersburg area. The inital clash took place just west of the City at the College between Heath's forces (under Ewell's command) and Union calvary led by Buford. The Union forces retreated through town and took up positions on the ridge where the rest of the battle was fought. Lee retreated southwest and around July 10th there was a skirmish (not sure how large of an engagement it actually was) in the Fallingwater area. The Gettysburg Visitor's Center has some good information on the order of battle. Even though it's a work of Historical Fiction Michael Shaara's book "The Killer Angels" (this was the book that the movie Gettysburg was based on) seems to be pretty accurate in terms of who was where/when. Shelby Foote wrote a three volume series on the Civil War. Of course there have been numerous publications on the battle.

Hope this helps a little. Good luck with planning the ride. Duuring toursit season the roads in and around Gettysburg get congested at times but within the National Military Park they aren't too bad from what I remeber.
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Sorry for the spelling errors in the previous post. Man I'm getting bad in my old age.
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I'd love to get into that (civil war), but I know the amount of time that it will take up so i'm saving that hobby for my pre and post retirment years. At the moment I just don't have the time.

Bike touring of civil war areas would be a blast!

Post some pics or updates if you tour these places.
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I've ridden around Gettysburg Park on my own, which was nice. I really didn't want to be disrepectful and go racing around there, but I did manage to climb Little Round Top a couple of times This year I plan to do the Civil War Century. I'm really looking forward to it.
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I know the army was split up and different elements went different routes. So let's say we follow
Lee himself from his last major battle (which is what??) up to Gettysburg and then follow his retreat to some logical point. A loop would be cool but I don't know if that would make sense. I'm not a historian and I am dubious about Internet sources so a real buff or historian needs to chime in and put this on the right track. Anyone know a historian that would be a knowledgeable/respected source? PM me an email and I'll contact them myself.
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Originally Posted by icemanbb
Just a rough sketch but the Southern forces had marched north. Harpers Ferry, Hagerstown, Chambersburg. A portion of the army under Ewell continued north to the Carlislle area before being recalled and turning back south through Middletown area (I don't know exactly where). Hill and Longstreet came in from the west along the Chambersburg Pike from Chambersburg area. The inital clash took place just west of the City at the College between Heath's forces (under Ewell's command) and Union calvary led by Buford. The Union forces retreated through town and took up positions on the ridge where the rest of the battle was fought. Lee retreated southwest and around July 10th there was a skirmish (not sure how large of an engagement it actually was) in the Fallingwater area. The Gettysburg Visitor's Center has some good information on the order of battle. Even though it's a work of Historical Fiction Michael Shaara's book "The Killer Angels" (this was the book that the movie Gettysburg was based on) seems to be pretty accurate in terms of who was where/when. Shelby Foote wrote a three volume series on the Civil War. Of course there have been numerous publications on the battle.

Hope this helps a little. Good luck with planning the ride. Duuring toursit season the roads in and around Gettysburg get congested at times but within the National Military Park they aren't too bad from what I remeber.
I'm pretty sure Gen. Heath was both under the command of, and comprised part of the corps of, A.P. Hill, but in any event:
Gettysburg, by Stephen Sears, is both a good, relatively short, overview of the campaign and a fun read. They met at gettysburg is also another good, light read. There are many more in-depth books as well.
Basically, though, you'll be starting from the Rappahanock/Rapidan line and moving down the Valley until the gaps in PA. You'll probably hit Chancellorsville/Wilderness/germanna ford depending on where you start. You'll hit the Harpers Ferry area, brandy station, and go right through Antietam (a great place to bike, btw). Like was said above, there are a good number of options b/c the armies didn't move as one small unit. That would be a nice ride.

That is some of the most beautiful country i've seen, the mountains of northern virginia/central pa. Make sure you have dinner at the Cashtown Inn if you make the trip. Excellent meal in an historic setting.
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Originally Posted by DuckFat
Inspired by the article about Sherman's March in the Adventure Cyclist magazine. I'd like to work out a route that traced a major part of General Lee's foray into Pennsylvania up to Gettysburg and the retreat. ............

.............Even a link to a good map of Lee's route would be helpful. .........
FWIW, I have twice vacationed at Gettysburg, and I'm from Texas.

https://www.dean.usma.edu/history/web...fContents.html

https://www.dean.usma.edu/history/web...GIF/ACW34b.gif

These links are the West Point atlas sight, from which you can work it out. Keep in mind that there was more than one "route". Early and Gordon were over to the east near York, Ewell was up near Carlisle and AP Hill was at Cashtown. They all then converged on Gettysburg as the fighting broke out.

If you have access to them, perhaps in your library, the Time-Life series on the Civil War has some of the best maps and illustrations for the average person. This is a series of thin, well written and illustrated books. The Gettysburg book would do you well.
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Yeah, like I said let's start with the precise path of Lee and his horse and alter the course a bit to hit points of interest near that route.
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Originally Posted by DuckFat
I know the army was split up and different elements went different routes. So let's say we follow
Lee himself from his last major battle (which is what??) up to Gettysburg and then follow his retreat to some logical point. A loop would be cool but I don't know if that would make sense. I'm not a historian and I am dubious about Internet sources so a real buff or historian needs to chime in and put this on the right track. Anyone know a historian that would be a knowledgeable/respected source? PM me an email and I'll contact them myself.
Google James McPherson, the author of the Oxford History of the United State series called Battle Cry of Freedom. I believe he is/was at Princeton. I have e-mailed various authors in the academic profession and they are usually enthusiastic to help. Maybe you could contact a professor at the University of Virginia as well.

Good luck in your tour. I grew up about 35 miles away from Gettysburg and have enjoyed riding on the battlefield roads there.
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Originally Posted by DuckFat
I know the army was split up and different elements went different routes. So let's say we follow
Lee himself from his last major battle (which is what??) up to Gettysburg and then follow his retreat to some logical point. A loop would be cool but I don't know if that would make sense. I'm not a historian and I am dubious about Internet sources so a real buff or historian needs to chime in and put this on the right track. Anyone know a historian that would be a knowledgeable/respected source? PM me an email and I'll contact them myself.
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The Army of Northern Virginia's last major battle before Gettysburg was the Battle of Chancellorsville.

I can't say I know the route the General himself took north. However, it's safe to assume that he moved north with one of the major units of the ANV right from the time it broke camp at, or near, Fredericksburg, in June, 1863. After all, the Confederate move north was aimed to provoke a major confrontation with Union forces, preferably on Northern soil. Lee would have wanted to be in a position to command from the outset.

But where Lee himself was need not be guessed at. The General's location is documented in many places. It just takes looking it up.

Whichever route Lee himself took, any tour you took that began down near Fredericksburg, or even Richmond, and went through Gettysburg would be rich in history. It would be a great trip.

The Gettysburg battlefield, in particular, is probably best appreciated on a bike. (It's a bit too somber a place to say "enjoyed".) The self-guiding auto tour on the paved roads is just a bit over twenty miles. On a bike it would be much easier to take in the huge number of monuments along the route than in a car. It would be much easier, too, to move offroad onto some of the dirt trails on the battlefield. Maybe you know this already, though.

This is a great tour idea, whether you follow Lee's precise steps or not. Good luck.
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