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Old 02-15-09, 02:05 AM
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Would you stealth camp here?

Man, I love Google Street View of Australia on Google Maps!

As I've never done any unsupported touring with camp out experience, here I am trying to look at the land ahead of time. Would you camp on the side of the roads like this one here?
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Old 02-15-09, 02:36 AM
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Well, the fires haven't burnt that area ... yet, anyway ... so that's a good thing.

I think it was right in that area where a huge (but apparently not poisonous) spider crawled onto my handlebar bag when I stopped for a behind-the-bushes break.

I've been to both Welshpool and Port Welshpool. I just cycled through Welshpool, but stayed the night in Port Welshpool which has a nice campground in it. I'd actually recommend going down there.

I'd also recommend getting some camp out experience before you go.

This is Welshpool, I think I've got photos of Port Welshpool as well, but not online:


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Old 02-15-09, 04:13 AM
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Thank Machka! I was checking out your website last night...amazing (1200km in less than 4 days!!!).

My actual stop on that day is Foster...but I guess I'll be able to make it to Port Welshpool if needed (an extra hour on the bike).

And yes, I plan on camping a few time before I head off so that I'll know what to expect.
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i don't think stealth camping in that spot would work out all that well. its a small group of trees next to some ones house. if the house wasn't there it would probably work out fine.
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Grr...damn it, really need to learn from some stealth masters out there!!
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perhaps there's a stealth camper in that google photo already...
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It's good someone has experience with the specific spot you mentioned. (Where hasn't Machka ridden?) lol
But one of the main attractions of stealth is it gives you incredible flexibility; you shouldn't 'have' to pre-plan the end of each riding day. A true stealth master needs to be able to assess the current area, determine if it's workable, then decide to stay or move on to stealthier terrain.
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Old 02-15-09, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Chatbox View Post
Thank Machka! I was checking out your website last night...amazing (1200km in less than 4 days!!!).

My actual stop on that day is Foster...but I guess I'll be able to make it to Port Welshpool if needed (an extra hour on the bike).

And yes, I plan on camping a few time before I head off so that I'll know what to expect.
Welshpool to Port Welshpool is only about 5.5 km ... maybe 20 minutes by bicycle.


And thanks.
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Old 02-16-09, 02:42 AM
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it'll be hard to stealth camp that area unless you roll up after dark and leave early, there's just not that much vegetation to hide behind. on the other hand, you could just ask one of the farmers if you could set up in their paddock. there's a nice hostel in foster, too.

i hope you're planning on going down to wilson's prom, the guy running the hostel in foster will hook you up with a ride if you don't feel like riding there & back. the view from mt. oberon is worth the effort.
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Old 02-16-09, 04:38 AM
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mattlavallee, my trip starts at the end of June / <very> early July. According to Geoscience Australia's data of the sunrise and sunset times during that period, I'll be alright I think:

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My original first day route was to go from Melbourne to Foster and stay in a YHA hostel there for a night. I just went to Google Map and had a look at Mt.Oberon. That's quite a view!! Thank you for pointing that out, I really appreciate it! I'll definite fit that into my route!!

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Old 02-16-09, 04:49 AM
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cool. what's your stop/start locations?
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Right now, I'm still in the <extremely> early stage of planning out my route. I have 90 days to bike anywhere where a road bike (30/42/52T 12-24, 700x25c) can go, but with limited budget and therefore camping out (and lack of showers, plus smelling a little bit off) IS on the agenda as well as YHA hostels. The location that I posted in the first post is just a random example of place that I happened to pick off Google Map...and hoping that by getting people's feedback, I'll be able to learn more about how to pick a good location for stealth camping.

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Old 02-16-09, 05:19 AM
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I guess I should plan my route base on places listed here... Seem like a resourceful site.
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Old 02-16-09, 06:41 AM
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Hope your tent is rainproof...

Have you considered a trip further north, rather than though some of Victoria's wettest areas in the middle of winter? Nice countryside, but still...
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Originally Posted by MNBikeguy View Post
It's good someone has experience with the specific spot you mentioned. (Where hasn't Machka ridden?) lol
But one of the main attractions of stealth is it gives you incredible flexibility; you shouldn't 'have' to pre-plan the end of each riding day. A true stealth master needs to be able to assess the current area, determine if it's workable, then decide to stay or move on to stealthier terrain.
+1, these are my sentiments exactly.

OP you sound like you are doing way too much planning. The beauty of a tour, especially one in which you plan on stealth camping, is freedom.
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well, it's a beautiful area. i stayed along the coast on a tour from newcastle to warrnambool last year in dec-jan. i had originally envisioned some stealth camping along the way, but i ended up having way too much fun at the hostels, and even met some cool people at the holiday caravan parks i camped at. the idea of sitting by myself in the woods trying to remain unseen & unheard was soon not a very enticing thought. it really does multiply your options to be able to camp when needed though, especially in the busier times of year.

i was up in the beechworth-bright area in nov and thought it would be a great place for a ride, but the recent fires have probably changed things. keep in mind that if you ride that area in winter, you'll have to carry warm clothes and a more bulky sleeping bag, so it'll be a significant amount of stuff to carry on your road bike.

i'm not sure how limited your budget is, but that would be a superb time of year to ride the NT and the kimberleys. and you've got plenty of time.....
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Old 02-16-09, 12:55 PM
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i was up in the beechworth-bright area in nov and thought it would be a great place for a ride, but the recent fires have probably changed things.
Yes, the recent fires have changed a lot of things in Victoria with 450,000 hectares burnt, and several towns and settlements burnt to the ground ... including Rowan's place.

Even Wilson's Prom didn't escape ... Tidal River was under attack by the fires yesterday.

Although I am planning to make my move to Victoria in June if all goes well ... if I were touring Victoria, I think I'd wait till October, and even then October can be quite cool and rainy at times.
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OP you sound like you are doing way too much planning. The beauty of a tour, especially one in which you plan on stealth camping, is freedom.
I mostly agree.

Personally I am not inclined to stealth camp unless necessary. I prefer to plan no farther than a day or two at most ahead and then only generally. I would stealth camp only if I didn't find a place where I could get permission or an invite from a host. So stealth camping is something not all that likely to happen on a bike tour. I have stealth camped in other pursuits (like when I hitch hiked out to Minnesota from the east coast to see my brother or when kayak or canoe camping), but have never felt the need when bike touring.
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I've stealth camped a lot but not in Australia. But I have secreted myself in stands of trees in open spaces with residences nearby. I stealth camped with a green/beige 1 man tent that was very low to the ground and barely noticeable. I even created what amounted to a hunter's "blind" using branches that I would loosely weave together to conceal my tent and/or to cover my bike.

I've been so successful at stealth camping that, on more than one occasion, I've spent the night 10' away from groups of kids or homeless wanderers who never noticed I was there as they partied away.

Granted for me stealth camping means no campfire and minimal use of a flashlight.
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I've stealth camped a lot but not in Australia. But I have secreted myself in stands of trees in open spaces with residences nearby. I stealth camped with a green/beige 1 man tent that was very low to the ground and barely noticeable. I even created what amounted to a hunter's "blind" using branches that I would loosely weave together to conceal my tent and/or to cover my bike.

I've been so successful at stealth camping that, on more than one occasion, I've spent the night 10' away from groups of kids or homeless wanderers who never noticed I was there as they partied away.

Granted for me stealth camping means no campfire and minimal use of a flashlight.

I think it is easier to stealth camp in Australia than in the US ... and of course you wouldn't have a campfire. Most of Australia is on a fireban most of the year ... especially the area where Chatbox is going (Victoria).
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Man, I love Google Street View of Australia on Google Maps!

As I've never done any unsupported touring with camp out experience, here I am trying to look at the land ahead of time. Would you camp on the side of the roads like this one here?
Well that probably would not be stealth camping, because you would be visible. More like gypsy camping, but camping that close to a road has its problems. You are an easy target and vehicles often vere off the road for no apparent reason.

I was in England several years ago, scouting a stealth site when I came upon a wrecked car at a tree. It was perhaps 30 metres from the road. There is a picture on one of my journals of the car. I crept up wondering if there would be a body at the wheel. No such luck but it was probably a stolen car and the driver ran off the road, wrecked it and just took off. He probably wouldn't check to see if anyone was camping at the side of the road.

As much as I love Google maps, nothing beats real paper maps for the sort of detail you need to make the right choices. Sadly, they don't come free.

Best of luck with your trip.
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As much as I love Google maps, nothing beats real paper maps for the sort of detail you need to make the right choices. Sadly, they don't come free.
Actually the Victorian Department of Sustainability and Environment has all its mapping info available free online - kind of like google maps, but the original material that paper maps are printed from. You can pick which layers you want (vegetation, water, contours, etc etc) and print your own.
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Stealth camping can usually be converted to friendly camping, just by asking.

A brief introduction, and a promise to leave things neat and clean, is usually all it takes.

Almost all of the time, they will even allow a small campfire, and usually wander over to sit with you for a bit, for conversation.

We have even been offered cold beer or pop, (on many occasions,) occasionally a shower, and always use of their hose for whatever we want water for.

A few times, we have even been invited in for supper and/or breakfast.
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If the weather was ride to not have to set up tent and such, definitely. On tour last year we slept in parking lots, construction yards, farmlands, orchards, restaurants and pretty much anywhere we could find. Just make sure you are awake before everyone else. Get up and GO!
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