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Old 02-28-09, 02:49 PM
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Bob Jackson World Tour project

Hi!

After much researching I've arrived at the conclusion that I'd prefer to put a bike together rather than buy an off the shelf LHT or Thorn. Thoughts behind it:
  • Traditional geometry frame
  • Very sturdy wheels
  • Good "important" components (but not "the best")
  • Save money on "less important" components that can be upgraded later

I calculated on Bob Jackson's and SJS cycles list prices in the UK.
The list below came to US$1600 plus an extra $100 for the bits and pieces to be rideable.
Everything else, racks, fenders, kickstand, computer, lights etc came to another $400 to be totally tour-ready.

This makes a total of $2100, which plus the cost of the build is as much as I can scrape together

I plan on going over to BJs in the UK to get fitted and order.... UNLESS you guys tell me I've got it all wrong and should think it over again! Thank You so much for your feedback.. if there is anything totally incompatible in the list, I apologize for my ignorance, this is all quite new to me, first new bike in 25 years... but dang I'm looking forward to it!

Oh btw, I know the choice of stem shifters is sooooo last century but I love my hacked handlebars (see pic) and the only alternative is barcons + paul thumbies = very expensive. This also made the choice of a 1" quill stem unavoidable.

  • Frame - Bob Jackson World Tour
  • Rims - Mavic A719
  • Hubs - Shimano XT
  • Spokes -DT Swiss Champion, 14g
  • Tyres Continental Contact 700c x 32
  • Crankset - Shimano Deore LX, 48-36-26T
  • Cassette - Shimano Deore LX, 11-32
  • Front Derailleur - Shimano Deore LX
  • Rear Derailleur - Shimano Deore LX
  • Chain - Shimano HG53
  • Shifters - Shimano Stem Mount Friction (hihi shoot me!
  • Brakes - Shimano Cantilever BR-R550
  • Brake Levers - Shimano BR-400
  • Headset - Cane Creek S-2
  • Stem - Kalloy Alloy Road Quill Stem
  • Handlebars - Shimano PRO LT Anatomic Alloy
  • Seatpost - Shimano PRO PLT Alloy
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Old 02-28-09, 02:54 PM
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Gosh - that sounds like an expensive bike to me! Unless you are very determined to build your own, I'd head down to the local REI store and buy a Randonee - and swap out the stuff you don't like about it! However, I doubt you have a local REI store in England, so that may not be an option...
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Hi Nancy!

Yeah, these are the list prices, I don't know if everything ordered at once for the build would make it come out cheaper?? Anyone been down that road?

I've been reading your journal for the last week since I joined this forum! Wonderful and inspiring!!! Thank you
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Saddle? Pedals? I'm guessing that by "bits and pieces" you mean stuff like cables and cable housings.

I have a spread sheet from when I was working out a dream build. It's based on list prices. Your totals aren't very different from what I had.

Building the bike up this way is definitely the expensive way to go. If you go through a shop you may, even with them doing the build, be able to get it cheaper. On the other hand there is a certain joy in doing it all yourself! Either way, enjoy that new bike!

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Originally Posted by imi View Post
Hi Nancy!

Yeah, these are the list prices, I don't know if everything ordered at once for the build would make it come out cheaper?? Anyone been down that road?

I've been reading your journal for the last week since I joined this forum! Wonderful and inspiring!!! Thank you


i don't know where you're located, but i would suggest buying most of your stuff online. ebay and the like. my touring bike list price is somewhere around $3,300, but i only paid close to $2,000 for everything.
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whoops! pedals got lost in the cut + paste ditch
  • MKS GR9 + toeclips

... and a cheapish saddle...
otherwise I think I got all the nuts and bolts accounted for

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Do you have a local bike shop to help you out? Do you plan to build the bike yourself, or let a pro wrench do all or part of it?

Although EBAY and on-line retailers look cheaper-- that's not always the case. Talk to a local shop or two, tell them your budget, ask for a good deal. You're buying a whole lot of parts, (with a big retail mark-up) This a good sale for a shop-- ask for a pair of Pauls thumbies and barcon shifters at wholesale (plus the rest of parts at list).

$1600 is a lot of money! You should get great parts and service for this money and most all...a great bike!

good luck
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At least I'd want a pro to build the wheels, crankset and headset, these are the things I have neither the experience, confidence or tools for, but apart from that I can do the work myself.

I know it sounds expensive, but as a comparison I calculated that an off the shelf LHT with paul thumbies (for my handlebar hack, stem shifters won't fit the LHT stem) plus all the same extras (see list below) would cost $1740, a saving of $360...

So, all in all I think my BJ build is worth the extra cost, and as has been mentioned above I might get a reasonable discount if buying everything from the same shop. Thank you all for your help!
  • Pedals and toe-clips
  • Fenders
  • Front and Rear racks
  • Kickstand
  • Lights
  • Computer
  • Pump
  • Lock
  • Bell
  • Mirror
  • Bottle cages

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Jackson

I just built up a Bob Jackson World Tour and you may have seen the photos in another thread. I ordered my frame "off the peg" -- that is, non-custom -- and it took about two months to receive. I'm very pleased with the bike except for a few details. First, the head tube was 1.5 cm shorter than they told me it would be, despite numerous emails and phone conversations about the specs for various sizes and models of frames. I have dealt with the head tube issue by adding a head-tube extension (and could have used spacers), but it was annoying nonetheless because I made it very clear to them that the head tube length was important to me.

Despite that problem, the frame is well made and beautifully finished. It is much lighter than I expected, and the built-up bike weighed 21 lbs with pedals and cages. Of course, it is much heavier with racks, fenders, lights, etc. It rides really nice, although stiffer than my other steel bikes, but that is to be expected since it is designed to carry loads. I put larger tires on it, and it rides beautifully.

Since you are going the custom route, have you also looked into Mercian frames? I would also check them out if I were you because they seem to have a better reputation with regard to delivery times, quality of finish and communication. Their posted prices include custom geometry and are about the same as a custom BJ. I was too impatient to go the custom route.

Here are a few photos of my bike and you can find more at my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33353398@N05/
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Can I suggest that you forget the Shimano brakes as listed. They don't compare with the Tektro CR520 or CR720 cantis now available. These are much more efficient and especially when fitted with Koolstop Salmon pads.
No matter how illustrious the reputation of the frame-builder, they are still capable of blundering when it comes to meeting the customer's specifications. I supplied an engineering drawing for the forks for my custom-made Mercian and they still gave me the standard version.
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Looks like a beautiful bike to me.

My guess is that if you tell Bob Jackson up front what you are trying to accomplish in a complete build they may be able to put together a parts package for you as inexpensively as anyone.

Mercian and Thorn both offer similar services...buying a "complete" bike from them appears to be cheaper than doing it piece by piece.
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Looks like a beautiful bike to me.

My guess is that if you tell Bob Jackson up front what you are trying to accomplish in a complete build they may be able to put together a parts package for you as inexpensively as anyone.

Mercian and Thorn both offer similar services...buying a "complete" bike from them appears to be cheaper than doing it piece by piece.
I think that is is usually true but just now all bike part prices in the UK have rocketed due to the recession. It might be best to look at prices at home first.
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Can I suggest that you forget the Shimano brakes as listed. They don't compare with the Tektro CR520 or CR720 cantis now available. These are much more efficient and especially when fitted with Koolstop Salmon pads.
Just curious ... Do you have personal experience with the Shimano BR-550 brakes? I've got them on my bike and they work great. However, they are the first and only canti brakes I have used, so I have no basis for comparison. Couldn't you just put Koolstop pads on the Shimano brakes and improve their performance just as well?
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There are actually no "off the shelf" Thorns. They are all assembled at the shop, to the customer's specs. The brochures and order lists on the net are actually only "user-friendly" kit lists for the most popular specs. You can order any part that SJSC/Thorn stock onto a bike build.
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Thats a beautiful bike Tarwheel! *drools*

The Mercian frame looks great aswell...

BengeBoy, Thanks, I might very well end up asking BJs to build the whole thang, as you say, if so it would be the simplest solution... now DukeArcher has got me thinking about Thorn again :/ The "Club Tour" is definitely an interesting frame, then with my own specs *scratches head again*

Thanks for the Tektro brake tip onbike 1939, I'll definitely look into that... anyone one else compared Shimano and Tektro cantilevers?

The choices never end do they?? :/ This forum and you guys are amazing, pointing me in new directions, what a wealth of experience!
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Just curious ... Do you have personal experience with the Shimano BR-550 brakes? I've got them on my bike and they work great. However, they are the first and only canti brakes I have used, so I have no basis for comparison. Couldn't you just put Koolstop pads on the Shimano brakes and improve their performance just as well?
No, I'm afraid I haven't but I note they are short and point upwards so I suspect they do not offer the mechanical advantage to be had with the Tektro CR520/720.
You could put Koolstop Salmon pads on your Shimano brakes and I'm sure they would improve braking. It's a pity that they're so expensive.
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Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
Since you are going the custom route, have you also looked into Mercian frames? I would also check them out if I were you because they seem to have a better reputation with regard to delivery times, quality of finish and communication.
I'd agree if I was going fully custom in the uk Mercian would be higher up my list than a BJ.
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Looks good, but I'd go for DT Comp (double butted) rather than Champ (straight guage) spokes.
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Looks good, but I'd go for DT Comp (double butted) rather than Champ (straight guage) spokes.
Thanks! Nice call jobe1
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I checked the DT competition (286g, double butted) out, but saw there's even a "super comp" which are heavier (318g) and triple butted. Would this be a good alternative for the rear wheel? I carry most of my gear on the rear, or is that overkill? The weights are given for 64 spokes

Or the DT alpine III?? (even heavier 418g)

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the tektro brakes in question are of the sort where the arms stick out almost horizontally. The shimanos in question are of the sort where the arms are more diagonal. If you're familiar with Paul Components Engineering's cantis, the tektros are like the "neo-retro", and the shimanos are like the "touring". FWIW, Paul claims they made the tourings in response to demand for a center-pull canti that was more "bag/rack/calf" friendly. (from the paulcomp website: http://www.paulcomp.com/ ) The neo-retro came first, in response to the demand for cantis made by the cross craze back at the turn of the century. These brake harder. However, and i've never used cantis of this sort, the cantis with the better mechanical advantage may have some issues with typical touring goodies, due to their location.

FWIW, I have the shimano br-r550s on my 26"wheel LHT, and i like 'em. I had to use a crazy tektro straddle cable to clear the fenders, but they work great. I've used tektro oryx and cane creek scx-5 cantis in the past (similar design to the br-r550) and the shimanos brake and feel superior to those. I've never used any of the other style cantis, so i can't give a direct, empirical comparison.

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