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Old 03-21-09, 11:17 AM
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Soutwest Routes, East-West, West-East

One difficult issue that many people touring in the Southwest encounter is the lack of good backroads on cross-country or other long distance east-west or west-east tours. The Southern Tier route puts you on both I-8 and I-10 - including the killer climb west of Ocotillo for westbound riders. Old Route 66 forces you back onto I-40 many times. The shoulders are O.K., but it's hardly serene cycling.

I've posted an article over at Crazyguy and would welcome comment.
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?...c_id=4968&v=3R

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I basically live in the photo above, if one removed all the houses around me. I can say I look at photos like that and think "Europe sounds like a far, far better place to tour". The same can be said when I look out my Albuquerque back yard. I love riding through town, and the outskirts...but touring in the Southwest just doesn't appeal to me.

Conestoga wagons maybe...bicycles. Not so much.
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this is funny i was just reading your very good article on CRAZY GUY

i will be doing the southern tier next year and have been concerned about getting from san diego to brawley

the more i read i am thinking that this route might be a little better

https://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...ego-springs-ca

useing it to get to julian and then over to the salton sea then on to brawley

and if it is better i wonder why adventure cyciling didn't use it

i sent them a e-mail but they haven't gotten back to me yet
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this is funny i was just reading your very good article on CRAZY GUY,
i will be doing the southern tier next year and have been concerned about getting from san diego to brawley
When are you planning your trip?
I looked at your Bikely map and can point out a few things.
1. There is a nice bike trail from the beach at Oceanside for about 7 miles.
https://www.ci.oceanside.ca.us/datare...px?Content=279
2. Gopher Canyon Rd is narrow, steep, with moderate+ traffic.
Camino del Rey is in the valley and has more shoulders.
3. Highway 76 is narrow and very steep east of Rincon.
It's not a good choice for eastbound cyclists.

Have you seen these San Diego bike maps?
https://www.ridelink.org/CommuterChoices/Bike_Maps.aspx
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Originally Posted by jamawani
One difficult issue that many people touring in the Southwest encounter is the lack of good backroads on cross-country or other long distance east-west or west-east tours. The Southern Tier route puts you on both I-8 and I-10 - including the killer climb west of Ocotillo for westbound riders. Old Route 66 forces you back onto I-40 many times. The shoulders are O.K., but it's hardly serene cycling.

Professor, since it's an article, would you consider cross posting it here for immediate feedback on BF's?

She's a beautiful thing, no?
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Originally Posted by Airwick
Professor, since it's an article, would you consider cross posting it here for immediate feedback on BF's?

She's a beautiful thing, no?
It's just zee click away.
With images and length, it's problematic posting here.

And, oui, she is so belle.
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Originally Posted by jamawani
It's just zee click away.
With images and length, it's problematic posting here.

And, oui, she is so belle.
yes but we live in the age of instant gratification

I was picturing something like you had done with your camping thread. The other site for posterity and BF's for more feedback.

Anyway, do you discuss or address the issue of linking up with cross country maps and if so, how well do they link with "official" cross country routes. Eventually, you know you'll have to publish the jamawani cross country route
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Originally Posted by Airwick
yes but we live in the age of instant gratification

I was picturing something like you had done with your camping thread. The other site for posterity and BF's for more feedback.

Anyway, do you discuss or address the issue of linking up with cross country maps and if so, how well do they link with "official" cross country routes. Eventually, you know you'll have to publish the jamawani cross country route
Wait a minute.
Sometimes I am missing a few bulbs.
I posted here to get feedback from you and another person we both know -
And then I link you to CGOB. Duh!

Sometimes the perfesser is the last one to catch on.
OK. I'll see if I can post it here, too.
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Originally Posted by jamawani
Wait a minute.
Sometimes I am missing a few bulbs.
I posted here to get feedback from you and another person we both know -
And then I link you to CGOB. Duh!

Sometimes the perfesser is the last one to catch on.
OK. I'll see if I can post it here, too.
It's ok, you're still our favorite Professor and your bicycle routes are the best.

More importantly, I see you took my marvelous advice and crossed post.


East/West Cycling in the Southwest - Part 1

She's a beautiful thing. Marvelous job as usual, jamawani.
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So best to use this thread to ask you q's, share opinions and leave that the other thread uncluttered?

I have a question, and I'm also busy trying to answer it for myself.

Which of the three routes do you prefer?

My initial opinion is old 80 and down toward Tucson. You gave us this advice three years ago and it's a beautiful area with very low traffic.

This would definitely apply to the Arizona portion, not 100 sure about the California part.

Your thoughts?
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that is very helpful, thank you. I intend to return to the southwest ASAP, and I have lamented the lack of byways, it is really nice to know the options available...

thanks again for putting this info together.
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Originally Posted by Airwick
So best to use this thread to ask you q's, share opinions and leave that the other thread uncluttered?

I have a question, and I'm also busy trying to answer it for myself.

Which of the three routes do you prefer?

My initial opinion is old 80 and down toward Tucson. You gave us this advice three years ago and it's a beautiful area with very low traffic.

This would definitely apply to the Arizona portion, not 100 sure about the California part.

Your thoughts?
No - best to use the new thread to keep the article up.

Best route?
Ventura to to Santa Clarita to Twenty-Nine Palms to Parker to Salome to Gila Bend to Tucson.
The down-and-dirty.
It has a little of all three.

Oxnard has Amtrak station with baggage service - better than Ventura.
McGrath State Park is right on the beach with hiker/biker camping.
Plus you can take a boat ride out to the Channel Islands.

I just pulled a cast iron skillet of cornbread out of the oven.
Mmmmmmmm!
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Originally Posted by jamawani
No - best to use the new thread to keep the article up.

Best route?
Ventura to to Santa Clarita to Twenty-Nine Palms to Parker to Salome to Gila Bend to Tucson.
The down-and-dirty.
It has a little of all three.

Oxnard has Amtrak station with baggage service - better than Ventura.
McGrath State Park is right on the beach with hiker/biker camping.
Plus you can take a boat ride out to the Channel Islands.

I just pulled a cast iron skillet of cornbread out of the oven.
Mmmmmmmm!

OK, I will begin shamelessly promoting the other thread.

I will have to give some more thought to your pick, not convinced yet.

Julia, please refrain from mentioning your culinary skills in the other thread.

edit, wait. Could we see what a map of your combined best route would look like?
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Originally Posted by jamawani
When are you planning your trip?
I looked at your Bikely map and can point out a few things.
1. There is a nice bike trail from the beach at Oceanside for about 7 miles.
https://www.ci.oceanside.ca.us/datare...px?Content=279
2. Gopher Canyon Rd is narrow, steep, with moderate+ traffic.
Camino del Rey is in the valley and has more shoulders.
3. Highway 76 is narrow and very steep east of Rincon.
It's not a good choice for eastbound cyclists.Have you seen these San Diego bike maps?
https://www.ridelink.org/CommuterChoices/Bike_Maps.aspx
so does adventure cyciling have the best route after all?

i will be doing the trip next year

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I think that the best route is this one.

https://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...30899&t=h&z=12

I've ridden the others, and this seems to be the best of possible worlds. Once past Phoenix there are a bunch of options for going North, south, etc. This map is from Denver to San Diego (a ride I was trying to plan recently).

All in all, if you want to just go straight East out of San Diego, you're plum out of luck. The 78, 79, 8, and 76 are all pretty treacherous. It's mostly just choosing the lessest evil and picking the most appropriate time of day/week for traffic.

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Also, this route tries to avoid hills as much as possible, but sacrifices flat ground for safety sometimes (W. Lilac road for example)
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