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Old 03-25-09, 11:43 AM
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Brooks Saddle Question

I know I will get a Brooks Saddle. I was going to order the usual...a B17, but am wondering about the suspension ones. Does anyone have any thoughts about going to the 'sprung' ones? With that in mind, what exactly is the difference between the single and double aka. Champion Flyer and B66 Champion?

Thanks for the insight.

Overview of the three:

1. B.17 Standard
This is the basic Brooks saddle, and it has the lowest return rate of any of the Brooks models that we carry. It is slightly wider than is common these days. The top of saddle is smooth with three small holes for ventilation. The skirts are smooth with a stylish imprint of the brand and model. There are three variations on the B.17: The Standard, with small, hollow steel rivets, the Champion Special, (see next listing) and the Champion Special ti, with the copper rivets and a ti frame. A saddle clamp might be needed with a single rail saddle.
Size 170 X 280mm

2.Champion Flyer
The Champion Flyer combines the wonderful B.17 top with a single-rail sprung frame. This could be the perfect suspension saddle!
Size: 170 X 280mm

3.B.66 Champion
Once upon a time - this saddle, with its smooth, B.17 style, top, was the sprung version of the B.17. The Champion Flyer has taken over much of that business becuase it bolts right onto a modern seatpost without adaptation but the B.66 Champion Special is still a stylish sprung saddle. The beautiful curving lines of the black dual rail frame combined with the chrome coil springs make this Brooks a classic. Clamp included.
Size: 170 X 280mm
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Hi there....I have several B-17s and a few sprung B.17s...

The spring effect for me (180lbs) is minimal but noticeable. I had one on a fixie to help me along some bumps that I didn't anticipate...and currently have one on a Dahon Speed TR to add a little more suspension...

Don't expect something like a sprung mattress or super rear suspension, it's just enough to take the edge off...it's something I'd recommend for a small wheel tourer (Bike Friday, Dahon Speed TR, Brompton)

The B.66 looks nice but heavy...wow those are a lot of springs. Make sure you get one that lets you use modern posts otherwise you have to get some extra bits of hardware....
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Originally Posted by xcapekey
The spring effect for me (180lbs) is minimal but noticeable. I had one on a fixie to help me along some bumps that I didn't anticipate...
I weigh about 25lbs more than you right now, although I am hoping to get down around 190-195. Do you while in the saddle and 'working' to get up a hill feel any 'bobbing' motion or anything like that? Thanks again.
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I've used the unsprung B17 quite a lot and like it. Recently got a sprung B67 which is similar but slightly wider. The springs are stiff and really don't come into play unless you hit very sharp bumps but the wider flat seat shape is fantastic - very comfortable. The drawback is that it's most suitable for a sit-up-straight riding position - which isn't really my style. So I'm probably going back to B17 so the B67 will be on ebay soon.
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Originally Posted by Meek
I weigh about 25lbs more than you right now, although I am hoping to get down around 190-195. Do you while in the saddle and 'working' to get up a hill feel any 'bobbing' motion or anything like that? Thanks again.
I'm at 195 right now and don't feel any movement of the springs unless I hit a sharp bump. Even then, I don't really 'feel' the springs move so much as notice that the impact is much less than expected. The springs really do work well.
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FTR, I have an unsprung B17, and I find that the leather itself has some flex to it, enough to notice anyway. It kind of smooths out the bumps on its own. I have no experience with their sprung saddles, so I cannot really compare.
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Do you while in the saddle and 'working' to get up a hill feel any 'bobbing' motion or anything like that?
No.
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Originally Posted by mo_feezy
No.
I've a B67 also & at a little over 200lbs I have NO "bouncing". Just absorbs the sharp "jolts".

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Agreed. It's a pretty stiff suspension. Not bouncy at all.
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I have a Champion Flyer on a Long Haul Trucker Touring bike, a B67 on my in town beater bike and a B17 Professional on my Salsa Road bike. I'm 240lbs.

The B67 is way to flexy/bouncy/wide for any real distance riding. It is phenomonal on an upright bike.

The Champion Flyer is almost perfect on the LHT for distance touring. Firm but forgiving. I love this seat on the Trucker

The B17 Pro is noticeably firmer than the regular B17, but it is a great platform for a sporty bike. I've had this seat for about 125 miles, so my a** is just getting accustomed to it, but I know that they'll come to terms soon
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165 lbs and using the Champion Flyer...no movement at all but does absorb some of the jarring. I think it's perfect.
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I just bought the Champion Flyer. I ride about 100 miles weekly. My handlebars are a litttle below seat level
It has springs
Did I do alright?
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Originally Posted by scwowgph
I just bought the Champion Flyer. I ride about 100 miles weekly. My handlebars are a litttle below seat level
It has springs
Did I do alright?
If it feels comfortable, yes, if it doesn't...adjust in small increments...
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Originally Posted by KLW2
If it feels comfortable, yes, if it doesn't...adjust in small increments...
Like he said...
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love the champion flyer sofar
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love the champ flyer so far...few days
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