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Old 04-04-09, 05:45 AM
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looking for help with Mosel route

My friend and I have got seven days to explore the mosel and surrounding area. We are looking at about 250 miles for the tour.
Trouble is, the route planning is a bit problematic.
We fly into Koln at 10.00, so will have to stay locally. We want to avoid the hills, and have looked at maybe catching the train to the Kyll river route, then cycling down to Trier, cycling down the Mosel to the Rhine, and then back up to Koln. Trouble is, the Rhine seems to turn pretty industrial at Bonn, and we'd rather not waste time cycling through an industrial waste land.
I was wondering what the landscape east of Koln was like, and whether we could loop around and down to the Mosel, then cycle up the Mosel to trier and then catch the train back.
Or maybe cycle down the Rhine past the Mosel, where the Lorrelei rock is (though not sure if that's too far), then back, maybe on the other bank to the Mosel.
Anyone know what the land is like east of Koln or south of the Mosel. Any good?

Any advice is welcome.

Many thanks.
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You could head west to Duren +/-40kms than follow the Rur south to Nationalpark Eifel (great place been there last fall), continue south to Luxembourg (maybe) than on the Mosel through Trier all the way back to the Rhine. You can than catch the train heading north past the industrial area back to Kohln.
Or you could head east through the Nationalpark Rothaargebirge than through Nationalpark Kellerwald-Edersee on to Kassel (great town been there in the fall of 2007). After Kassel head south towards Giessen than west to Koblenz (this last part we haven't cycled but I'm sure there are cycling paths).
Personaly I would go for plan A.
Good luck with witch ever way you choose to go the areas I mentioned are very nice.
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The stretch of the Rhein between Bonn and Bingen in stunning, castles and grapes all the way.

Thereafter down the Mosel and back to the start by train
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Thanks for that. I have been looking at flights, and have found we could fly to Frankfurt, also. That could be really good, as I understand the Lorelei Rock is in the stretch between frankfurt and Koblenz. So that could be an option.

Anyone been from Frankfurt up the Rhine and then down the Mosel?
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We rode along the ways Frankfurt - Mainz - Koblenz - Remagen in last summer (they are the days #21, #22 of the EuroTour 2008 in my signature). They are perfect cycle paths: Main-Radweg and Rhein-Radweg. Main and the beginning of Rhine after Mainz are quite industrial, but after Rudheseim you will be in an enchanting area with nice hills and castles from Middle Ages.

After Koblenz the Mosel-Radweg starts, I don't know it but I'm seeing it in my map of Germany. Mosel-Radweg goes from Koblenz to Trien - Metz (France), all along the river, and skims Luxembourg.

All of these cycle paths have their own guide books.

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flavio, I will be reading your blog later with interest. I am thinking of riding from southwest England to near Vienna with a stop in Frankfurt. From a quick glance it looks as if the Amsterdam-Vienna part of your trip is the same route I am looking at.
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Hi bailout, I'm happy it's useful to someone!
So your way could be:

1) North Sea Cycle Route
2) The Netherlands' cycle paths
3) Rhein-Radweg
4) Main-Radweg
5) Liebliches Taubertal (Tauber Valley Cycle Path - Classic)
6) Altmühl-Radweg
7) Donau-Radweg
8) Vienna

From 2) to 8) are exactly what we followed. They are all cycle paths or very secundary roads. We forgot the existence of car traffic, in that trip.
The part 2) could be replaced by the Rhein-Radweg, taken from Rotterdam, so that the way is simpler and faster.
Good guide books are quite necessary. Each of those parts has its book.

When will you travel to Vienna?
If you need informations or altitudes please tell me.

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Flavio, thanks for that. I read your journal with interest. We were originally thinking of starting somewhere near Duren, if we flew to Koln. After seeing your description, I think we'll give it a miss.

How did you find the hills in between the Rhine and Aachen? Were they difficult?

I also notice you rode the Elbe. We did it last summer. Excellent, isn't it?

Many thanks for the help.

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Hi Phil, now I see better that you are looking for natural landscapes instead of industrial areas, and flat roads instead hilly ones.

I have to say that yes, from Rhine to Aachen we found some significative ascents (with final descent before Aachen, if I remember well), all of them were straight and quite steep, but not so much long. Anyway they are not flat roads, they are really hilly roads, for some tens of km. And probably there are no useful cycle paths there. They were not difficult for us, but we are used to cycle across Alps or similar.

Instead I think the path along Rhine after Koblenz would be perfect for you; it is that collection of ancient villages and vineyards which I wrote about. It is a great touristic area because of its landscapes.
Also, from Bonn to Koblenz there are industries, but it is not a dense industrial area, they are quite far each from other.
So, you would have around 60 km Bonn - Koblenz of standard, and then others 60 km Koblenz - Bingen of paradise.
After Bingen I'm seeing there is another cycle path, the Nahe-Radweg towards South-West; you could look for informations about it, maybe it is natural too.

The Elbe path is in the plans for the next summer, if all goes well
I'm glad to see it was excellent for you.

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many thanks, Flavio for your helpful comments. I understand I understand now I got it wrong and you have not yet done the Elbe. I can tell you, it is excellent. We actually went from Berlin via Potsdam, and stayed our first night at a village called Ferch, on a hotel by the lake. It was very peaceful. We then went down the R1 to Lutherstadt Wittenburg. The trail was in the forrest much of the way, and a little hardgoing (I think because it was only our second day.
After Wittenburg, we went down the Elbe to torgau, which is a bit industrial, but only on the outskirts. There is a good hotel on the main square. It is the main hotel there. Next we went to Dresden, stopping at Meisen for a rest. If you get chance, go into Meisen. It is on the river, over the main bridge, but well worth it. Also, about halfway between Dresden and Torgau, there is an Imbis stall on the cycleway. Stop by for lunch. The man and woman who run it are very friendly, and the goulash is great. Tell them two English cyclists from June 2008 told you about it. They may remember us - we talked for an hour with the owner. stopped at Torhau, which is good in the centre, and then in Wittenburg, which I notice is on your route. Another great place.
Dresden is a beautiful city. The Neustadt is a great place to stay, funky and youthful. The Elbe is beautiful around Dresden and into the sachsen Schweiss. I highly recomend it.
I cannot remember if you are going to Berlin. If so, find a bar called the Metzer Eck. It is in Prenzlauerburg, and a wonderful place. It used to a Stasi hangout, and little changed. I'd try and avoid the Mauerradweg, though. It in not that good looking, and in places not well signposted (which is unusual for Germany).

Hope you have a great time. I envy you that ride.

All the best

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The part if the Mosel I recommend is from Trarbach to Koblenz and the Rhine from Koblenz to Oberwesel. The Lorelei is about half way from Koblenz to Oberwesel. There is camping by the river at Oberwesel. I dont know how Trarbach fits in with train stations. Take the time to taste the wines.
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Phil, I copyed/pasted your tips in my pc, so we'll can enjoy them. Surely I will talk about you in that Imbis Thank you very much!

If some of our and your times/spaces could cross, please let me know, to take a part of road together.

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