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Old 12-04-09, 10:30 AM
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surly long haul trucker question

Hi

Looking to buy a Surly Long Haul Trucker and as I will not have the chance to try before I buy would appreciate a little advice as to what size frame I should be ordering.
I am roughly 6 foot tall.
Any advice appreciated.

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have you discovered a process for determining your size yet?
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the surly long haul trucker and cross check owners group at https://groups.google.com/group/SurlyLHT

has a google document where users can post their sizes/measurements and what size frame they ride and what modifications they've made. It's the first thread on there. It's pretty useful, but you'll notice much variety, so it might be better to use the old logic of just going to ride one if possible.
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Originally Posted by jambobean
Hi

Looking to buy a Surly Long Haul Trucker and as I will not have the chance to try before I buy would appreciate a little advice as to what size frame I should be ordering.
I am roughly 6 foot tall.
Any advice appreciated.

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Tough call. I'm 5'11 w/ a 32 inch inseam and the 54 fits me great. My LBS stocks them though, and I was able to test a 58, 56 and 54...

Thing between the 56 and 54 is the 700 vs. 26 inch wheels...

If you can find a shop that stocks them, I'd try that...
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Originally Posted by 50 Mission Cap

Thing between the 56 and 54 is the 700 vs. 26 inch wheels...
Not anymore.... Starting Dec. 23 Surly is taking orders from your local Surly dealer for LHTs with 26" wheels in sizes 56cm and up. Find a shop that carries LHTs and get fitted. I'm 6' with a short torso, long arms and long legs. I was just fitted for a 56cm last week and will be ordering one with 26" wheels this month.

Best thing you can do is find a 54 and a 56 and see which feels right...
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Might be helpful to know whether you have any other bikes, particularly any road bikes, how long the stem, top tube, crank, and wheelbase are on your existing bike, and how much vertical difference there is between the saddle and the handlebar on your existing bike. What we're probably looking for is a size that's going to give you shorter stem+top tube and less vertical difference between saddle and handlebar, while still giving you a longer wheelbase and about the same crank length and handlebar width. YMMV, but I'm guessing that you don't want something that's more aggressive than your speedster bike.
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Thanks for advice so far

Thanks for advice so far. I did look at the spreadsheet on the LHT forum but found that confusing as people around my height seemed to own a wide range of sizes and all seemed happy with them.
As for further measurements as well as being 6ft my inside leg for trousers is 32 in (35 from crotch to floor in socks).

On the subject of the smaller and larger wheels. It seems that the down side for the larger wheels is that of getting parts, is there a plus side to the longer wheels?

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Stop!! Before you buy the LHT, use the "book jammed into your crotch" method here:

https://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_...g_a_frame_size

Just estimating your inseam is far too inaccurate.

If you undershoot your frame size due to past "kind of guessing" technique you'll get a touring frame that is not quite ideal and it will drive you nuts.

I used to ride a 56cm frame based upon "roadie advice" but find my actual size is a 60...which is what I have (60cm LHT). I am much happier, the bike looks better, bars are more comfortable, and still have plenty of clearance.

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While no one wants to buy the wrong size frame, the spread sheet shows that there is no exact frame size. I'm one of those people that ride what most would consider a small frame for my size but it fits me perfectly. I do have a longer stem (130mm) but that has proven to be a plus as I've been able to attach a second stem to it to carry a handlebar bag.
Incidently, I'm also have an inseam of 32" and found myself right between a 54 and a 56. For touring I didn't want to be stretched out over the bike but rather more upright and I also wanted 26" wheels. With all of the stems and seat post options on the market, getting the frame to fit isn't that hard.
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You never answered what bike you have now and what size. If this is your first bike you really need to figure out how to ride one even if it requires a road trip. I could pick my size based on my previous and current rides.... I'm 5'11" and would choose the 54. I like more drop and my body likes it as well. Without having a feel for what your going to be comfortable it's all guessing. Expensive guessing.

Some who are my size ride a 56 and even a 58... so you can see how getting a real answer is really just folly.
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Originally Posted by kyakdiver
You never answered what bike you have now and what size. If this is your first bike you really need to figure out how to ride one even if it requires a road trip. I could pick my size based on my previous and current rides.... I'm 5'11" and would choose the 54. I like more drop and my body likes it as well. Without having a feel for what your going to be comfortable it's all guessing. Expensive guessing.

Some who are my size ride a 56 and even a 58... so you can see how getting a real answer is really just folly.
I'm 5'11 - 32 inch inseam.... I have ridden 58's and 56's comfortably... The guy at my LBS said he thought I could use a 54... I looked at him like he was insane. I rode the 56 and 54 and was shocked at how much better the 54 really was for me. These guys are right though, just measuring inseam is a mistake. The length of the top tube is also a crucial measurement (in terms of your arm length and position over long rides). The 26 inch wheels are excellent. Much stronger than the 700's. My buddy is pushing 300 pounds on his 56 w/ 700's and they keep breaking on him (of course few would be in that situation...). Also, I've been talking to Tim Travis - quit his job started biking around the world w/ his wife (https://www.downtheroad.org/). He's a huge fan of 26 inch wheels due to their strength and availability of rims / tires in remote areas... Also, I read somewhere that the 26 inch wheels are only 2-4% slower over a century ride.... is anyone really concerned about speed on a bike like this?

Anyway, this is a hell of a bike. My favorite of all time. Just try to find a shop - even if that means driving a few 100 miles - and test them out. Where are you? I have some sugggestions if you are in the Chicago area...
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I own a Surly 56cm. That's after riding a 54cm for a few months... I am 5'10 with a 35 inseam and both fit me in their manner but the 54cm will go. Buying a Surly sight unseen is surely a pain.

Had I known this site I would have started with a better understanding. It is the best online fit calculator that I know. Get some help for the measurements. The 'French Fit' is likely what will suit you the best as a tourer. This being said i favor a more aggressive position myself, with the handlebars about an inch below the saddle, since I have the longish arms which go with the longish legs.
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I'm also considering an LHT, to be primarily used for commuting to work 8 miles each way. I'm trying to figure out whether the largest LHT is big enough for me, or whether I have to go to something like a Rivendell Homer Hilsen, which they make as large as 72cm. I checked out the LHT size spreadsheet, and also finally ran my numbers through the fit computer. The spreadsheet shows one guy as tall as me that feels he has a good fit, but the fit calculator points me to a much larger bike. I don't mean to hijack the thread - I think discussions of things like this help everyone making similar decisions! Here are my numbers. The only thing that surprised me was the short (by comparison) TT, but then my height is almost all in my legs.

Any feedback or tips of other brands to consider are greatly appreciated!

Inseam 39 in
Trunk 26.875 in
Forearm 14.5 in
Arm 27.5 in
Thigh 27.75 in
Lower Leg 24.25 in
Sternal Notch 66.25 in
Total Body Height 78 in

That results in these "Eddy" and "French Fit" suggestions:

The Eddy Fit The French Fit
Seat tube range c-c 65.4 - 65.9 67.1 - 67.6
Seat tube range c-t 67.4 - 67.9 69.1 - 69.6
Top tube length 55.7 - 56.1 56.9 - 57.3
Stem Length 11.1 - 11.7 11.3 - 11.9
BB-Saddle Position 84.4 - 86.4 82.7 - 84.7
Saddle-Handlebar 58.8 - 59.4 60.5 - 61.1
Saddle Setback 12.2 - 12.6 11.7 - 12.1
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I don't think that there are many stock bikes around your size that have a top tube that's 10cm shorter than the seat tube. Generally speaking, I think that the top tube on most large bike frames is approximately the same length as the seat tube, give or take a couple of centimeters. There needs to be a balance here: you don't want to have too much of a drop from the saddle to your handlebars, but then again you don't want a frame so large that you have to stretch yourself to get a hold of the handlebars either.

Presuming that you already have a bike, it might be more productive to start with some measurements of your current bike (top tube length, seat tube length, difference in height between the handlebars and the saddle, crank length, handlebar width). You know how comfortable you are on your current bike, and perhaps have some idea about what would make you more comfortable.

One of the nice things about the LHT is that the head tube extends about an inch over the top of the top tube, which allows you to get a more upright position on a smaller frame.
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My current bike doesn't provide too much insight into the next one, because it's sooo far off from what I need. I knew nothing when I bought it, which I did on the spot because the bike I had then, which I had hardly ever ridden, was a MTB even further from what I needed. I had started commuting and needed something better right then! Current bike is a 23" Raleigh Detour 3.5, with a different rear wheel (was breaking spokes every week) and a longer seat post, to at least get the seat up high enough, even though it remains too far forward. I know that, currently, the seat is too far forward, the bars are too low, and the 'cockpit length' and wheelbase are way too short. Trying to find a larger bike to test ride is even more frustrating than shopping for size 14 shoes! Nobody stocks them! I know I want LHT type geometry... longer.. more rake.. lower BB, etc. It's just tough to figure out just how much better a 67 or 68 cm bike would be, because, well, there just aren't any around to ride. Lot of money to spend without a test ride. :-/
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Your current bike provides insight into the next one insofar as it indicates which way you need to go. For example, if you think that your "cockpit length" is way too short right now, then it doesn't seem like you'll be happy with the Eddy and French Fit suggestions that you gave above (with a 55-57cm top tube and a 11-12cm stem). Fit calculators have some use, but they can't tell you what you like.

You might want to check out Gunnar and Waterford. The stock sizes of Gunnar in particular seem to be more along the lines of what you want, and they both do custom geometry if you need to go that route.
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Here's a link to Gunnar's new Grand Tour bike: https://gunnarbikes.com/grandtour.php
And to the Waterford site: https://waterfordbikes.com/
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https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm

tp://www.coloradocyclist.com/bikefit/

One comment about the Colorado Cyclist fitting guide: they recommend that you get the smallest frame possible, for a stiffer, lighter and more responsive frame. This is excellent advice for a racer or performance oriented cyclist, but I don't think this would be a good idea for a cycle tourist or leisure rider. A cycle tourist or leisure rider would quite likely be better off with a larger frame, which would be more stable when carrying a heavy touring load.
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I've spent quite a bit of time on the Waterford site this weekend, after having realized they built the larger Rivendell frames. Custom sizing at no extra cost, so long as you can afford that normal price! I hadn't heard of Gunnar and will check them out. I realize the TT dimensions of the results from the competitive cyclist fit program don't make sense. Would be a pretty odd looking bike! There is one shop not too far away that is listed by Waterford as having one of their fitting cycles. That's likely the closest I'll be able to get to actually riding something in the 65-68cm range.

My current bike has a 59.4cm sloping TT, and my stem is 11cm. I should take a true cockpit length measurement the way I have it configured so I can use that for comparison.

Thanks for the continuing help, folks. I had no idea how little I knew about bikes when I started down this path. But now I do, and so I'm taking my time to get it right. Times have sure changed since you just jumped on your Stingray and started pedalling. :-)
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Gunnar is made by the Waterford guys also. I have a friend who bought one of their bikes and is happy with it. Granting that her issue was that she's petite rather than large, Gunnar has some expertise at fitting odd sizes.
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Originally Posted by AzTallRider
I've spent quite a bit of time on the Waterford site this weekend, after having realized they built the larger Rivendell frames. Custom sizing at no extra cost, so long as you can afford that normal price! I hadn't heard of Gunnar and will check them out. I realize the TT dimensions of the results from the competitive cyclist fit program don't make sense. Would be a pretty odd looking bike! There is one shop not too far away that is listed by Waterford as having one of their fitting cycles. That's likely the closest I'll be able to get to actually riding something in the 65-68cm range.

My current bike has a 59.4cm sloping TT, and my stem is 11cm. I should take a true cockpit length measurement the way I have it configured so I can use that for comparison.

Thanks for the continuing help, folks. I had no idea how little I knew about bikes when I started down this path. But now I do, and so I'm taking my time to get it right. Times have sure changed since you just jumped on your Stingray and started pedalling. :-)
Gunner is just a budget version of Waterford. Same company.
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