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Old 01-25-10, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
The Novara Randonee Touring Bike at REI only goes up to a medium at 55cm?

https://www.rei.com/product/776887
Ahh so they are still on sale for $799! I think that they only have those sizes for the sale price. Use this link to buy the larger sizes that are not on sale... I guess.

https://www.rei.com/product/796696
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Old 01-25-10, 07:24 AM
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wow, that is mind blowing. also, where they have larger sizes they don't list the measurement
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Old 01-25-10, 08:05 AM
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In a few weeeks............ All Norvara bikes will go on sale. Should start the 1st of Feb. or close to it. When that happens you will be able to pick up the 2010 for 20% off retail price. So $800 and all sizes available for members.
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REI still has some 2009 Randonees on sale but there are limited sizes. The 2010 is priced at $999 and is not on sale...yet. There are some minor differences in components.
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Old 01-25-10, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Trueblood
I know many people dislike BD's marketing.
BD's marketing sucks. But it should be clear to anybody with a some knowlege that they are BSing.

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Jamis seems to do it a little less on their site, but still brands certain parts they don't make
Every manufacterer does it. I don't think anybody is fooled by it. One reason it is done is so that the manufacterer can use different sources for things. While it might be nice to have a particilar brand of "cork tape" (really?), one way manufacterers can control the price is not to be tied to a particular manufacterer. If you really want brands for minor components, expect to pay more for the bike.

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Surly brands their LHT frames, as one would expect, which I notice are also 4130 steel
Surly doesn't use name-brand tubing because it would make the frame much more expensive. While it might be nice having name brand tubing, it really might not matter that much (as long as what they are using is good and the frame is put together competently). If you really want a brand for tubing, expect to pay more for the bike.

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I guess there are plenty of products that are hyped or over-hyped, some are good, some not, and bicyclists being so passionate about bikes, BD can put some people off. The trick is not to dismiss the product entirely - just disregard the hype.
BD is particularly bad with the "hyping".
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Old 01-25-10, 05:15 PM
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[QUOTE=philso;10311101]
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"...Secondly, the components are not "windsor brand". No such thing, virtually no bike/frame maker manufactures components, and the comment belies a basic misunderstanding of the bike biz. ..."

windsor brand as listed on spec page( https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...rist.htm#specs ):

Main Frame Windsor custom butted 4130 Cro-Moly, Double water bottle mounts
Rear Triangle Windsor custom tapered Cro-Moly with forged dropout, Spare spoke holder, rack mounts, 130mm rear spacing
Fork Windsor custom tapered Cro-Moly, front Rack Brazeons
Front Hub Windsor Sealed Alloy Road, 36H
Stem Windsor Superlight Road Aluminum, 0 Degree, 1" Removable Clamp
Tape/Grip Windsor custom cork wrap Black
Saddle Windsor Sport "Crater" Touring
Seat Clamp New Windsor Ultralite alloy, Lazer etched

the exact point is not that they don't manufacture their own, but that they claim to;when in reality , to put the best spin on it, they are either having a manufacturer produce these parts to their own specs or just picking up the cheapest ones available and trying to make it sound good, which is what i suspect.
They are not claiming anything, there are four ways to source a component,

1) Make it yourself
2) Contract to someone else to make it, your specs.
3) Contract to someone else to make it, their specs.
4) Use branding to allow you to use the part-du-jour.

Let me explain that last one, you have a collection of parts by various manufacturers, you use them interchangeably, you use your own branding so that you don't need to change the web page every month as you get in new parts from another source. For utility parts like bars, stems, seat posts, where there is little difference between parts, this is more common then you think.
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Three of us bought them in 2007 to do the Trans America. They served us well and all three of us were quite happy with them. We have all continued to ride them since then with no complaints.

The spec doesn't look like they have changed much if at all. I would suggest a crank that will allow lower gearing if you will be touring where it is hilly. We used a Sugino XD600.
Did you have any problems with spokes breaking?

I'm wondering if having the wheels rebuilt with the original spokes will be ok, or if we should get new spokes as well.
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Old 02-01-10, 06:18 AM
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Did you have any problems with spokes breaking?

I'm wondering if having the wheels rebuilt with the original spokes will be ok, or if we should get new spokes as well.
Yes. Of the three of us one bike had some spoke breakage. It turns out that the screw that holds the stack of cogs and spacers had backed out and scored most of the rear inner spokes on the drive side. I think it probably could have happened with any bike that used the same cluster. Once the scored spokes were replaced there was no more breakage.
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Old 02-01-10, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by philso

They are not claiming anything, there are four ways to source a component,

1) Make it yourself
2) Contract to someone else to make it, your specs.
3) Contract to someone else to make it, their specs.
4) Use branding to allow you to use the part-du-jour.

Let me explain that last one, you have a collection of parts by various manufacturers, you use them interchangeably, you use your own branding so that you don't need to change the web page every month as you get in new parts from another source. For utility parts like bars, stems, seat posts, where there is little difference between parts, this is more common then you think.
My point is that there's no need to put your name on low-end parts at all in the first place and no need to change the web page every month either. adding "Windsor custom" (or "Fuji custom", etc.) to every part not manufactured by shimano or other major manufacturer isn't going to fool anyone who knows what they're talking about, but it could influence a newbie into parting with their money by making them think that they're getting a quality product at 1/2 price. it's just bџll *****, and even though lots of makers do it, i think it would be a dis-service not to let an uninformed person who needs to ask know what the low-down is. if they then want to buy this bike because that's all they can afford & they've been told that it should at least be functional, then at least they've made an informed purchase. if on the other hand they were expecting a higher quality bike, they might want to shop around for something better either on sale or used.

so as i still see it, this is a generally low quality bike which should however be servicable and get you where you want to go. the shimano components will be durable and you'll appreciate the gearing. my major concerns would be the very short chainstays (which shows that this is not a touring specific frame) so you are likely looking at heel strike problems on the panniers, and also probably looking at toe strike if you plan on using full fenders on the front.

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Originally Posted by philso
adding "Windsor custom" (or "Fuji custom", etc.) to every part not manufactured by shimano or other major manufacturer isn't going to fool anyone who knows what they're talking about, but it could influence a newbie into parting with their money by making them think that they're getting a quality product at 1/2 price.
I doubt that a "newbie" is going to attribute any value to a brand name like "Windor", that they know nothing about. (They might with a "familiar" brand name like "Motobecane" but it shouldn't be that hard to do a little bit of research on the intarweebs and resolve that issue.)
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