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Old 08-18-10, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by eofelis
Is that a good old Sage Green LHT there? I have one of them also, a 42cm one bought as a f/f before the completes were offered.
+1 - yup good eye...back when every LHT was unique...

I still really like the colour and the bike is going strong...
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Old 08-18-10, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NoGaBiker
Anyway, more to your point, I might find myself wishing for a Co-Motion or a Bruce Gordon if I were on a two-month tour to the middle of nowhere -- I can't speak to the longevity/hardiness/robustness of the LHT vs. the Co-Motion. Or rather, I should say the CoMotion is obviously hardier than the LHT just looking at tubing diameters, as detailed above, but I can't speak to whether my 180-pound body and 30 pound load would care two-bits about that additional stoutness.

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Just a point on stiffness - too much is a bad thing. By that I mean you can have a touring bike that is so stiff for the load it is carrying that the addition stiffness is detrimental to the ride. In the same way too much air pressure in the tires makes a bike harsh and actually increases rolling resistance. So matching the frame to rider and load is also important. This is logical as we wouldn't expect a 100lbs rider with 30lbs of gear to need/enjoy the same frame as a 250lbs rider with 100lbs of gear.

I've toured on a number of bikes with a variety of levels of stiffness and I definitely did not prefer the stiffer bikes over the less stiff frames - keeping in mind none of the bikes I've toured on had uber light noodly frames.
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Old 08-18-10, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by vik
Just a point on stiffness - too much is a bad thing. By that I mean you can have a touring bike that is so stiff for the load it is carrying that the addition stiffness is detrimental to the ride. In the same way too much air pressure in the tires makes a bike harsh and actually increases rolling resistance. So matching the frame to rider and load is also important. This is logical as we wouldn't expect a 100lbs rider with 30lbs of gear to need/enjoy the same frame as a 250lbs rider with 100lbs of gear.

I've toured on a number of bikes with a variety of levels of stiffness and I definitely did not prefer the stiffer bikes over the less stiff frames - keeping in mind none of the bikes I've toured on had uber light noodly frames.
Sorry to interject, but I don't think he's talking about stiffness - stiffness is different than robustness/strength.
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Old 08-19-10, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SBRDude
Sorry to interject, but I don't think he's talking about stiffness - stiffness is different than robustness/strength.
You could be right, but he specifically mentioned tubing diameter being larger on the more robust bikes which is the primary indicator of frame stiffness. If we build two steel touring bikes [of a similar design/geometry/size] and one uses bigger tubes it will be stiffer although not necessarily more robust unless the tubes have thicker walls.
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