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Old 07-10-10, 07:50 PM
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adding extra water bottle holders

I'm preparing to ride from Portland, OR to San Francisco on a Surly Cross Check, which only comes with two water bottle mounts. I tried a Minoura BH-95x handlebar mount but had so much trouble installing that I've given up on it. (Familiar with this model? Any suggestions?)

What's your favorite extra water bottle boss?
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I've considered a seat-mount holder, but I'm not sure it'll work well with gear piled atop my rear rack.
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Originally Posted by slopvehicle View Post
I've considered a seat-mount holder, but I'm not sure it'll work well with gear piled atop my rear rack.
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You can always place water bottles inside your panniers.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
You can always place water bottles inside your panniers.
True, and of course something like a Platypus water bag in the panniers would work as well.
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I had six bottles here.

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Handlebar bottle mounts, see if you can find a bike shop nearby who knows someone who will add downtube braze-ons to the bottom of your downtube (assuming you have the clearance, seat mounted bottle cages as suggested above, and you could also use a hydration pack if you're really going to be needing that much water.
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I've zip tied bottle cages to either side of the steerer tube when touring in western states. Put the bottles in a very handy location. Worked great. If you're not using a
front rack, you could probably do the same on the forks. That saddle mount would be good too, but would interfere with stuff on my rear rack.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
You can always place water bottles inside your panniers.
+1 - I can't really see the point of more than two bottle holders...put the rest of the water in your panniers on on top of a rack in a water bag. By the time you empty two water bottles take a break and refill them.

If I'm on a road with good services I won't bother with more than two bottles of fluid unless it's crazy hot. I'll just refill from stores/gas stations/etc... as I go.



If you really must have more water attached to the bike Topeak makes holders for 1L-1.5L water bottles.
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Change to the Salsa Fargo fork. It holds two bottles, has rack mounts...and has a disc brake tab
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As Vik said, by the time I drain two bottles I am usually ready to stop for a short break any way so I feel no need for more bottle cages. I use a Platypus +2 liter, a Platypus 1 liter, or a recycled gatorade or poweraid bottle. I keep them under a pannier flap if it is cool out or in a pannier if it is hot. They do stay much cooler inside the pannier than under a flap.
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Two racks on the bike is plenty, spares can go in the bags. I usually use the MSR Dromedary bags for the extra water. I used the rack under the down tube for my fuel bottle. If you really want to add bottle racks, they can be clamped on, zip tied on or you can add mounting points using Riv nuts or braze ons. I have mounted braze ons for water bottles using epoxy, rather than welding/brazing.

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Originally Posted by slopvehicle View Post
I'm preparing to ride from Portland, OR to San Francisco on a Surly Cross Check, which only comes with two water bottle mounts. I tried a Minoura BH-95x handlebar mount but had so much trouble installing that I've given up on it. (Familiar with this model? Any suggestions?)

What's your favorite extra water bottle boss?
One word: Camelbak
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As noted above, in the panniers is the best bet. The bottles in panniers do not have to be sized to fit in the cages, you can use standard bottled water bottles or soda pop bottles. If you find you have too many, throw into a recycle bin along the way and if you need more, buy them pre-filled with water at a convenience store. Soda pop bottles are usually more sturdy than bottled water bottles.

If you want another cage under the downtube, in the 1970s(and earlier) braze-ons for water bottles were almost unheard of and water bottles typically came with metal bands to go around the frame tubes to hold the cages on. Now with prevalent braze-ons, metal bands are unheard of and hoseclamps are the best answer. But only certain cages are designed so that you can strap the cage onto the tube. For example a Blackburn Competition cage can be strapped on, the hoseclamps go over the part of the cage where the bolts would normally go through it, but a Blackburn MTB cage can't be mounted that way. Protect the frame paint with electrical tape.
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See post #17 for lots of options.
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Originally Posted by slopvehicle View Post
I tried a Minoura BH-95x handlebar mount but had so much trouble installing that I've given up on it. (Familiar with this model? Any suggestions?)
Yeah, be patient. I have the same brackets and never had any problems.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
One word: Camelbak
+1

Most places i go out to i haven't been to before and I pick for low traffic which means no gas stations so i'm not going to count on refilling every two hours, which is about what 2 bottles will get me. I'll add a third emergency bottle, and beyond that a camelbak. So that works out to 5L probably, which is about 5hours(120km) supplied for in average(28c) temperatures at the recommended litre/hour rate or something like 25km/litre of water. Running out of water and not know where the next gas station is or if they're even open really sucks!

If you look into the Long distance forum there are some creative ideas on how to carry water, including some various hacks at strapping camelbak bladders to the frame.
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Not sure if this is of any use to you but I bought two slings for water bottles from WM that attached to my rear bags. On my last trip I carried 6 bottles (sometimes even a spare in a rear bag) and still ran out of water twice. I rode South through Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, and into Georgia. I was on some pretty remote state and county roads by choice. A little hot and very humid. These slings worked great!

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I need more than 2 water bottles, though I don't need them on my bike, and do carry some in panniers. I could get 3 water bottles on my most recent bike the third being under the downtube, as on the Cannondale above. There are days when 3 water bottles go by fast and the services are bad. I generally don't like a lot of BOs in my bike, prefering the bike to be clean and the stuff in my paniers, but I like a lot of water bottles mounts. They seem relatively clean to me, and free up space in the panniers since I don't have large panniers.
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Specified as such.. Frame was Built with 2 pairs of Bottle Bosses on top of the Downtube , and one beneath .. and another on the seat tube.

Two Fish Makes Velcro fitted strap on Bottle cages .. and Ortlieb now offers an Add on bottle cage that, like their add on pockets, will clip to the back of the Pannier.

A Water Bag can Go In a Pannier for Desert crossings , Or Haul a trailer , water will shift around, but anyhow BoB trailers have added 2 bottle bosses, By the Back Wheel.
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I like vik and stahpj1 usually just carry two bottles of water, but I also like to carry an empty 1.5L bottle on my Cross Check or Salsa Fargo on the down tube using the Topeak Magna XL water botle cage. I fill this only in the evenings (for camping) or on the rare occsions when it's extremely hot and/or I may be in extremely, extremely remote areas where there are no gas stations or even houses at which I can refill my water bottles.

In fact I didn't really think there were many remote areas in the midwest that required extra water, but recently while doing the trans wisconsin (transwisconsin.com) I discovered otherwise. There is a tremendous amount of government owned land (state forest and such) in western wisconsin that has absolutely no development of any kind. After doing one 40 mile stretch without food and very little water on the second day I found myself using my 1.5L bottle for water a lot more. In fact I used it for most of the trip. When using this configuration (1.5L bottle on the down tube) I do find it a bit of a pain when I have to access it so much and may in the future experiment with a bladder in either the top of my frame bag or on my handlebars in my bungie net where it's nice and accessible.

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I often move water into frame bags in the winter. And I do find that the bigger wb takes longer to freeze. I also melt a lot of snow in the winter as well. Particularly when camping in the evenings but snow is actually not quite so common and dependable as one would think while winter touring.

The big issue in the winter though is making reflectix wb cozies to keep your water from freezing.

BTW, when touring on my road bike I often put my wb on my handlebars:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2/4627564803/

Since the road bike is purely for on road touring I virtually never ride it in remote places without readily available sources of water everywhere like gas stations and in a pinch private homes. Still I have had a hard time finding more places to put water on my road bike since the frame bag blocks the standard water bottle mounts and no other pannier mounts or any other mounts exist.

I suppose on my road bike I will eventually take to trying a bladder in the top of the frame bag or in the bungie net on the handlebars. I do occasionally take an extremely light weight backpack made of ripstop nylon a draw string and two unpadded straps. (it packs tiny and weighs only 3oz yet can carry 15lbs comfortably.) This UL backpack has come in handy for removing some lighter items from my frame bag so I can place heavier items like groceries in the frame bag when I need temporary space. This is the same manner in which i usually use the bungie net. It works well for carrying a single item like my tarptent so I can put extra food (and perhaps water in the near future) in the top of my frame bag.

The key concept for me is not just a reduction in weight of gear but a reduction in the sheer quantity of items and the bulk of the items. On my most recent trip, the trans wisconin, I had about 3/4 of the top of my frame bag available for whatever i happened to buy at the local grocery store or gas station. It's not uncommon for me to stuff a baguette of bread in it and I suppose I could probably even put a 2L pop bottle in it if I wanted to. Always leave quite a bit of space for stuff you'll pick up on the road.
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Go to this site https://bicycleluggageracks.com/

scroll down a short ways and click on "Adding Water Bottle Cages to Bicycles without Braze-Ons" and you'll see more options than you thought possible.

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