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front low rider rack for riv atlantis: tubus tara or ergo/nova (or other)?

Old 09-26-10, 11:08 AM
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front low rider rack for riv atlantis: tubus tara or ergo/nova (or other)?

I'm looking at tubus front low rider racks for my riv atlantis, and was told given there are no fork eyelets on my atlantis, it's needed that I get put on some 'p' clamp if I go with a tubus front low rider rack (sure they're pricey, but well made, respected and pretty light too IMO)....any pros/cons to either the tara vs the ergo (chromo) or more expensive SS nova models?

i do already have a nitto rear rack (ss) and so was hoping to get matching front rack also in SS (but the ergo is black/chromolly vs its 40% more expensive sibling the nova...undecided which way to go yet)

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Also Consider Bruce Gordon's Low riders.. they are one piece, when finished , so the top fork mount has less going on.

Tubus has a bolt connection to the hoop, so top rear connection is better more rigid.
So, they supply this:
https://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS..._1-250-pix.jpg

If you can find them .. [direct EU import?] Tubus Smarti is a higher ground clearance rack, a mid rider so to say,,
the top mounting points are the cantilever/V brake boss and the fork Eyelet.

Oh you want stainless ... Nevermind..

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Having used both, I prefer the Nova over the Tara, for the following reasons:

1. More options for mounting it level - the Tara has one hole for attaching the top rail, the Nova has two.
2. The stainless steel Nova won't rust, whereas the CroMo Tara will get scratches and you need to take care of those to stop the rust from developing.
3. The Tara has a curved bottom which is unfriendly to bungee hooks (if you use that style of pannier, e.g. Arkel) - the hook slides off very easily. The Nova bottom is flat, and holds a hook in place much better.
4. My Nova still has the pannier hook on the bottom, whereas they have taken this off the Tara.
5. The Tara main tube is very thick, too thick in fact for the Ortlieb or Arkel hooks to fit comfortably. It kind of wedges in a way that makes me feel like it's being strained and could break. The Nova has standard size tubing all over.
6. The Nova has a nice diagonal strut near the bottom, which is flattened and perfect for hooking the Ortlieb onto.

Apart from price, I can't see any reason to go with the Tara over the Nova. You can get very good price on the Nova from wiggle.co.uk, and free shipping too (mine arrived four days after order, from the UK to California). The Tara may be rated a little stronger in terms of weight, but I don't think this makes any practical difference - you don't carry that much weight on the front anyway.

The Cosmo is the corresponding rear rack to pair with the Nova - very strong, and better clearance over large fenders (e.g. Planet Bike Cascadia 29er) than the Cargo, and two rail options, and a longer, wider top platform, and the rear slopes upward slightly to hold stuff on there better. Together, these are now my favorite racks - rock solid and trouble free.

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FWIW, The Chrome-moly tube is stronger than the stainless , but if you bring cash/ credit.
you dont have to carry so much stuff .. so wont be up there any near near the load capacity rating..

My 25 year old Bruce Gordon racks still fine.. maybe bruce can use stainless tube
on customer's demand.

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neilgunton: thanks...have read that issue of paint touchups on chrmo racks when they get dinged (I have nail polish protector I tab on to scatches on my frames...could use that too on rack scratches, to prevent rust)....also thanks for lead in ordering a nova (vs tara or even chromo ergo)...i'm here in vancouver bc canada so am looking for a reasonablly priced supplier (I can also have any thing shipped to a PO Box in blaine washington, too).

fietsbobb: thanks, too, for that newer tubus 'smarti'
https://www.tubus.com/en/lowrider/smarti
...looks interesting (anyone on this post using this 'smarti' and could provide feedback please?)...will do some more research, too.
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neilgunton:

RE: that bike shop online lead: wiggle.co.uk
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/
......some good deals there, thanks...i went on expecting to pay more coming from the UK, but not at all...good to know as alot of us canucks shop in the US to get better rates...and this UK company is offering even better rates...and with free shipping too (after $85 spent)...so thanks for the lead.

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Having used both, I prefer the Nova over the Tara, for the following reasons:

1. More options for mounting it level - the Tara has one hole for attaching the top rail, the Nova has two.
2. The stainless steel Nova won't rust, whereas the CroMo Tara will get scratches and you need to take care of those to stop the rust from developing.
3. The Tara has a curved bottom which is unfriendly to bungee hooks (if you use that style of pannier, e.g. Arkel) - the hook slides off very easily. The Nova bottom is flat, and holds a hook in place much better.
4. My Nova still has the pannier hook on the bottom, whereas they have taken this off the Tara.
5. The Tara main tube is very thick, too thick in fact for the Ortlieb or Arkel hooks to fit comfortably. It kind of wedges in a way that makes me feel like it's being strained and could break. The Nova has standard size tubing all over.
6. The Nova has a nice diagonal strut near the bottom, which is flattened and perfect for hooking the Ortlieb onto.

Apart from price, I can't see any reason to go with the Tara over the Nova. You can get very good price on the Nova from wiggle.co.uk, and free shipping too (mine arrived four days after order, from the UK to California). The Tara may be rated a little stronger in terms of weight, but I don't think this makes any practical difference - you don't carry that much weight on the front anyway.

The Cosmo is the corresponding rear rack to pair with the Nova - very strong, and better clearance over large fenders (e.g. Planet Bike Cascadia 29er) than the Cargo, and two rail options, and a longer, wider top platform, and the rear slopes upward slightly to hold stuff on there better. Together, these are now my favorite racks - rock solid and trouble free.

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Originally Posted by fietsbob
My 25 year old Bruce Gordon racks still fine.. maybe bruce can use stainless tube
on customer's demand.
Just a side note - we now make a model of front lowrider that is designed for the Surly LHT or other frames with braze ons 165mm from the dropout eyelet.
https://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.co...surly-lht.html
Any questions - feel free to call.

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FWIW- My Ortlieb's fit fine on the Tara rack. This bike does not have fork blade braze on's, but the mounting hardware has a clean appearance and is solid. This is not a Tubus rack but it shouldn't make any difference.




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The smarti is a good rack. Tubus product all around. Only gripe my GF had on a recent solo month long tour was that she couldnt position one of her pannier clips behind the fork - thus leading to a more forward load... she got around weight issues by loading the back of the rear panniers with the heavy stuff.

her tour took her up through AZ, UT and CO, with 12 mountain passes and lots of climbing, so her assessment includes the situation where wheel flop would be annoying (slow climbing). she said it wasnt too bad.
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Ortlieb bag's Slot mounted top hooks do allow some rearward shifting on the rails.
I take advantage of this on the back , for heel clearance,
shifting the mass on the front bags should go well by same adaptation.
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