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Old 11-29-10, 04:33 PM
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Campagnolo Mirage Shifters with Shimano

I'm sure this has been talked about before, and the research I have done shows it is a popular combination to use Campy Ergo shifters with a Shimano drive train. I will be using a 9 speed XT rear derailleur and XTR front with a 44/32/22 FSA crank set. I took a few items from my XC Giant NRS to use on a touring frame I ordered to build up. I have read that the Mirage shifters are good without spending the money for the higher end models. Any suggestions? I know about the Jtek Shiftmate adapter which should make this a good setup.

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Just curious-- Do you have a specific reason for going with Campy shifters and a $40.00 add-on? Shimano makes good shifters that work well with their equipment.
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if the shifters are 10spd, you can run a shimano 8spd cassette and a shimano RD with no shiftmate. if you want more info, go over to the cyclocross forums. its a fairly well know setup in that realm.
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You can run the campy 10 speed shifters to 9 speed shimano derailleur and shimano or sram cassette by using the shiftmate as you mentioned, or also by changing the way you mount the cable at the derailleur. I chose to just use the shiftmate (I think it was #2 and you do have to swap the pulley around from the way it comes to you stock in the mail: the directions are included).



As for why I'd pay $40 and use campy shifters, well, they feel so much better in my hands and I prefer the way they shift over the shimano shifters.
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https://www.fixedvancouver.com/Forums...ead.php?t=4270

Campagnolo 10 speed shifters will work with Shimano 8, 9 if you're using a hubbub cable routing. 09 and newer will work with front triple. 07/08 will not.
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What I was not quite sure about was having a triple chain ring set up and whether you had to use shifters specific to them. I like the idea of brifters, and with smaller hands the Campagnolo design is more user friendly. I thought of bar ends but since trying some STIs from Shimano found them quite easy to use, I actually enjoyed using them. Between brake levers and the barcons - since I have yet to purchase anything - the price difference is not that great. It seems the quick shift system versions can cause problems with front derailleurs on a triple. The Mirage or Veloce versions seem to be the least expensive newer Campy model I have found so far. Between the different years and models it's a bit confusing what will work.Specifically I was looking to purchase the 2009 Veloce QS 10 spd.shifters.Can the levers be used with cantilever brakes?

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Originally Posted by VintageRide
What I was not quite sure about was having a triple chain ring set up and whether you had to use shifters specific to them. I like the idea of brifters, and with smaller hands the Campagnolo design is more user friendly. I thought of bar ends but since trying some STIs from Shimano found them quite easy to use, I actually enjoyed using them. Between brake levers and the barcons - since I have yet to purchase anything - the price difference is not that great.
Campagnolo front shifting works with triples, I've seen it in action, some guy around here has a 46-36-24 front triple with Campagnolo Veloce 2009 shifters for doubles. Campagnolo also comes with more trimming option than Shimano.
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In fact I think you'd have a hard time getting that XTR front derailleur working with shimano sti shifters because in shimano-land, mountain bike front derailleurs require a different amount of cable pull than their road derailleurs. But with Campy, the front shifter isn't really "indexed" and may just work fine with an xtr front.
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Still trying to finalize the setup - I purchased a pair of 2009 Campagnolo Veloce 10 spd. shifters and what I am not positive about is the front derailleur. I will be using a 28.6 clamp and will most likely be using 48/34 front double chain rings but need to know if I can use a triple changer ( in case I decided to change over to a triple one day ) such as a Shimano Ultegra with the Campy shifter or do I have to use a double changer? I am assuming the Shimano changer will work of course, or would a Campagnolo front changer be better?

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JTek ShiftMate or a da Vinci-modified SRAM derailleur. I had really good results with the latter (10 speed Centaur shifters controlling a 9-speed Shimano drivetrain).
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Looking at the campy website, their road triple components are only FD, cranks and bottom bracket, I think that the shifters are currently designed to work for a double or triple.

I have a one bike that has chorus 10 speed setup with a chorus triple crank. I also have a build that has chorus 11 speed and they will also work with a triple or double.
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Does this mean I can use something from Shimano such as a newer Ultegra? I decided to sell my XTR front changer for a road version instead. I just want to be sure what will work before I purchase something.
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Here's what I was running:
  • Sugino XD2 triple (24/36/46)
  • Shimano XT chain
  • Shimano SLX 9-speed cassette (11-32)
  • da Vinci/SRAM rear derailleur
  • Shimano Deore II front derailleur (vintage, easily found on eBay)
  • Campag Centaur ErgoPower 10-speed shifters

It shifted beautifully. I tried other front mechs, but none worked as well as that Shimano unit. The only reason I switched back to bar-cons and different brake levers was that the Centaurs were not comfortable for me (I'm a mutant).

This is what the da Vinci-modified SRAM derailleur looks like:


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I have successfully done the following:
10 speed ergo, 9 speed shimano DT, w/o the Jtek
9 speed ergo, 9 speed shimano DT, did this both with and w/o jtek and didn't notice a difference as it shifted flawlessly.

I can't comment on the triple fd working with the ergos but one thing you might have to do with this conversion is also get a longer bb spindle??
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The Campy front shifter is not indexed, it has a series of micro-clicks, 3 or 4 per shift. This allows you to set any position with any style of front mech and trim at any time. It is far superior to the Shimano system with 3 defined indexed points. The Shimano trim function only works well with the specified bits of kit. I used a Tiagra shifter on an LX chainset and trimming as a real PITA. The Campy cable routing is also easier to integrate with bar bags.
I retired my 1995 8-speed Mirage because I couldnt use any modern rear mech. I seriously considered mixing a Shimano left/rear with a Campy front/right.
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Thank you everyone for your help and suggestions - I rather stupidly neglected to realize that the Steelwool Tweed frame I ordered is setup for front derailleurs using a top pull so I will be sticking with the M971 XTR front after all. Hopefully the Campy Veolce QS shifter will work reasonably well with the compact 48/34 Velo Orange double crank set I have decided on.

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