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Old 01-23-11, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by positron
I just use schwalbe marathon supreme or XR tires...

whats a flat like again?
I'm still waiting for my first XR flat! I have had two tubes fail in XR tires due to valve issues [they were in there a long time], but no punctures....
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In terms of time, there isn't a big difference between patching and replacing a tire. In both cases, you have to:
  1. Inspect the outside of the tire looking for the source of the problem
  2. Take off the wheel
  3. Pry off the tire
  4. Inspect the inside of the tire
  5. Remove the tube from the rim
  6. Force the tire back onto the rim
  7. Remount the wheel, and
  8. Pump up the tire.

The only differences are that you have to find the hole (which takes maybe two minutes); and put on the patch (another two minutes).

Once, I could not find the hole, even though I immersed the tire in a bathtub. The only option was to replace the tire.
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This subject comes up once in awhile. Spare tire on tour: yes or no? I doubt it has ever been asked by someone truly looking for advice. Invariably, it's someone justifying their own choice in the matter. It's fun to play along, though, so here's my justification for carrying a spare tire.

First of all, consider the consequences of a failed tire with no replacement. You walk the bike to the next town, camp, or whatever place you can do something about it. I've had flat tires on training rides close to home without a tube, pump, or a patch kit and I've walked my bike before. It's not hard, right? You grab the stem and guide the bike along with one hand while you walk. There's enough sidewall stiffness of even a flat tire to keep a lightweight go-fast bike from grinding on the rim. Do you think that'll work for a loaded touring bike? No chance. Push a fully loaded touring bike for a few blocks just to see what it feels like with both tires properly inflated. It will get five times harder with a blown tire and it will probably ruin the rim.

You could leave the bike beside the road and walk/hitchhike to the next town, then come back to get it with a new tire or help. I only carry the lightest of cable locks on tour because I'm never separated from my bike for more than a few minutes or a few feet. My bike and gear cost a boatload of money and, more importantly, I like them. I'm not leaving it behind for hours while I go get help. The bike, my gear, and myself need to stay reasonably close together.

I could hope I never need a spare tire. I've driven an automobile for more than 30 years and I've never used a spare tire away from home. (I've had a few flat auto tires, but they've always happened at convenient places. Lucky me, so far.) I still carry a spare auto tire. I carry a spare bike tire, too. It's a folding 28mm Continental Top Touring 2000 (a few years old). It folds up to the size of two fists. I cram it in the bottom my my pannier with the handful of other spare parts and tools I carry. It's a bit like a donut spare, since it's only 28mm, but it folds compactly and is worth the weight for me.
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Originally Posted by xyzzy834
First of all, consider the consequences of a failed tire with no replacement. You walk the bike to the next town, camp, or whatever place you can do something about it. I've had flat tires on training rides close to home without a tube, pump, or a patch kit and I've walked my bike before. It's not hard, right? You grab the stem and guide the bike along with one hand while you walk. There's enough sidewall stiffness of even a flat tire to keep a lightweight go-fast bike from grinding on the rim. Do you think that'll work for a loaded touring bike? No chance. Push a fully loaded touring bike for a few blocks just to see what it feels like with both tires properly inflated. It will get five times harder with a blown tire and it will probably ruin the rim.
Or just slowly and carefully ride it with the flat tire. I've done that a couple times with the longest being 6 miles. The bike was carrying about 10 pounds less than my usual full touring load, but I doubt that a few extra pounds would have made a big difference. It's pretty slow and tedious, but not nearly as much as walking would have been. No damage to the rim and not even any more damage to the tire than it already had.

I do generally carry a spare tire when touring with my Bike Friday with 451 wheels since that size is unlikely to be found at the next bike shop down the road and would probably have to be ordered. But I've never bothered to when touring on 700c wheels. Nor have I ever needed a tire replacement while touring - both of the incidents above happened on local rides.
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In 2008 I had a Marathon Supreme tread delaminate outside of Forks WA. If I didn't have a spare, I would have been SOL. For me, the extra weight was (and is) worth the peace of mind. On the GDMBR last summer, my partner had his Blunt rim fail, destroying his tire. But of course, he didn't have a rim anymore so his spare tire didn't do him any good.

The point is, if you're touring in the boonies, I think it makes sense to be prepared for catastrophic mechanical issues that are easy to solve and have a reasonable probability of occurring. For me, a non-bootable slashed tire is a possibility worth planning for. An exploding rim is not.

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Old 01-24-11, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by xyzzy834
You could leave the bike beside the road and walk/hitchhike to the next town, then come back to get it with a new tire or help.
The one time I needed a lift with my touring bike [hand injury] it took only a few minutes to get a pick up truck to haul my Big Dummy [not a small rig] 500kms to the next town...this was a remote spot on a dirt road...FWIW I actually had a spare tire on that ride since it was so far from any resupply option.

For tours in less remote spots I would have even less concern about getting a ride if needed.

Since I rarely even get a flat on tour it's not something I waste too much time thinking about. I know I won't be stuck long if a problem should occur.
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In 40 years of cycling I've had a few tires fail - torn sidewalls, blisters, etc. But it has always been on old tires and never come without warning. It was on tires that had been on my bike for several years, with oxidization on the sidewalls, and plenty of warning that they were failing. Usually I'll replace them when I notice them degrading, but a few times I've gone on a few more rides, hoping they'd make it.

Before I go on a tour I inspect my tires. If they look at all worn I replace them with new, high-quality tires. I'd rather spend some money and replace them early than worry about them on tour to the point that I'd carry a spare.

So far it has worked for me.
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Any good Boy Scout should know to ALWAYS be PREPARED. Anything short of bringing a spare tube and tire is a gamble and an expectation that something will not happen. If you are into cool, "This happened to me" stories and repeating information on BF, instead of KNOWING everything will be ok even if, then there is no need to be prepared.
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Originally Posted by X-LinkedRider
Any good Boy Scout should know to ALWAYS be PREPARED. Anything short of bringing a spare tube and tire is a gamble and an expectation that something will not happen. If you are into cool, "This happened to me" stories and repeating information on BF, instead of KNOWING everything will be ok even if, then there is no need to be prepared.
Similarly, one could argue the need to carry spare rims and, for that matter, a frame. Of course I recognize that a tire is more likely to become necessary than either of those, but it's all a matter of risk assessment; there are trade-offs between peace of mind and convenience. Different people will draw the line in different places, and in my mind, this one is purely a matter of personal preference with no clear right or wrong answer.
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Similarly, one could argue the need to carry spare rims and, for that matter, a frame. Of course I recognize that a tire is more likely to become necessary than either of those, but it's all a matter of risk assessment; there are trade-offs between peace of mind and convenience. Different people will draw the line in different places, and in my mind, this one is purely a matter of personal preference with no clear right or wrong answer.
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Originally Posted by Derailed
Similarly, one could argue the need to carry spare rims and, for that matter, a frame. Of course I recognize that a tire is more likely to become necessary than either of those, but it's all a matter of risk assessment; there are trade-offs between peace of mind and convenience. Different people will draw the line in different places, and in my mind, this one is purely a matter of personal preference with no clear right or wrong answer.
Yes. Which is basically why I put it that way. Nothing is correct or incorrect. You are either just prepared or NOT. We are not talking about 100 mile rides here. We are talking about touring. (Multiple days, multiple hundreds if not thousands of miles.) To relate it further, touring w/o a spare tube (not just a patch kit) is like camping without your pocket knife. Will you get get by? More than likely. Just because your made it out alive doesn't mean you successfully prepared for the trip.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels
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Nice 10 wheels. I have seen similar setups quite a few times on tour. I figure if I ever get wheels that are strong/light enough for touring (that aren't my road/racing wheels) I will be doing the same. I have enough touring wheels to give it a shot this year actually. What did you use to mount that wheel? Just looks like you have it attached to the rack at some point.
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I was taking the wheel to be overhauled.
Three bungie cords. It was just a 7.5 mile commute.
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I carry a spare tire. Have had three tire failures on the road.
I don't have a cell phone.
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Originally Posted by X-LinkedRider
Nice 10 wheels. I have seen similar setups quite a few times on tour. I figure if I ever get wheels that are strong/light enough for touring (that aren't my road/racing wheels) I will be doing the same. I have enough touring wheels to give it a shot this year actually. What did you use to mount that wheel? Just looks like you have it attached to the rack at some point.
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Very simple and crafty.
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Originally Posted by X-LinkedRider
Very simple and crafty.
Nope, silly. And it wasnt on a tour, so: Silly and also irrelevant.

incidentally, that seatpost rack will probably fail before any wheel would...
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Originally Posted by positron
Nope, silly. And it wasnt on a tour, so: Silly and also irrelevant.
What would we do around here if we did away with silly and irrelevant, especially in winter?!
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Originally Posted by positron
Nope, silly. And it wasnt on a tour, so: Silly and also irrelevant.

incidentally, that seatpost rack will probably fail before any wheel would...
It now has 30,000 miles on it.
I rode 2037 miles last Oct.
Why does it have to be on a tour.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels
It now has 30,000 miles on it.
I rode 2037 miles last Oct.
Why does it have to be on a tour.
That rack has 30k miles on it? doubtful. the bike, perhaps, and that is wonderful.
you rode 20.37 centuries in a month? I envy the time you have to ride, not to mention your physical stamina...

It has to be on tour, because this is a thread about the worth of carrying spares on tour. Taking a wheel down to the shop for fixing, while a great example of bicycle lifestyle or whatever, is irrelevant to the topic and would perhaps be more suited to the utility forum.
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Originally Posted by positron
That rack has 30k miles on it? doubtful. the bike, perhaps, and that is wonderful.
you rode 20.37 centuries in a month? I envy the time you have to ride, not to mention your physical stamina...

It has to be on tour, because this is a thread about the worth of carrying spares on tour. Taking a wheel down to the shop for fixing, while a great example of bicycle lifestyle or whatever, is irrelevant to the topic and would perhaps be more suited to the utility forum.
Actually, there was an allusion to how far one goes in taking spares, and a spare rim on tour was mentioned. 10Wheels just injected a bit of "it can be done, but why would you" humour into it.

And likely the rack does have the distance claimed. The amount of weight it carries and the terrain it covers is the deciding factor on its longevity, not the distance. Albeit, I wouldn't choose one for loaded touring purposes.

Just in case you were nitpicking...
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I learned this lesson the hard way in New Zealand a few years back. Of course, it just had to be in a remote part of the South Island (the Milford Road) with pouring rain and near freezing temperatures. I was lucky that a tour bus operator gave me a free ride back to Queenstown. Now I always carry a spare tyre on tour -- even if only for a weekend.
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My tours usually have a mix of pavement and "other". I bring a second set of tires for the "other". I'd rather take a few minutes to change tires than use an off-road tire on asphalt or a 25 mm slick in the mud. I also bring three or four spare tubes. I've never needed more than three, but I much prefer patching at days end to roadside patching.
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I try always to have a spare tube. Around town, or within my wife's comfortable driving range (for a rescue), that's all I carry. Outside that distance (on tour), I carry a spare tire. Having used it within 1,000 miles of the failed tire being new, I'll continue to carry the tire on tour. My daughter ended up with the replacement spare tire, and was grateful her overloaded Dad had one!
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