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Old 05-07-11, 08:26 AM
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Tent for long tour

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i was hoping to get some recommendations on buying a new tent for a long bike tour
what i'm hoping to find:

* 2 persons (travelling solo atm, but want extra room for future tours)
* DURABILITY! zippers that don't break after a year of everyday usage etc.
* withstand bad weather conditions
* interior tent that can stand on its own
* strength/quality is more of a priority than weight
* usable for stealth camping (eg not bright pink )

so far, this MSR Hubba Hubba HP seems interesting: https://cascadedesigns.com/en/msr/ten...bba-hp/product
altough a bit on the large side
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If you want cheap. Take a look at Steepandcheap They seem to have a lot of 2 person tents under $100 lately. They seem to get good reviews too.
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If weight is not an issue, a Eureka Timberline SQ 2 XT can be something to consider. It weighs in at 7 pounds, which might be a bit much for a solo ride, depending on how much gear you are hauling.. Splitting it between two riders would be ideal. It comes with DAC aluminum poles, which are pretty bomb. Cool thing about them is that unlike fiberglass poles which tend to snap when overloaded, alum ones bend, and you can always carefully bend them right back. The tent features a spreader pole that allows for more vertical walls than a traditional AA frame.. It comes with a green full coverage rain fly that has a built-in vestibule for boots, gear, whatever.. Definitely free-standing. These tents have been known to last 20 years when properly cared for.

Here are some specs..
https://www.campmor.com/eureka-timber...2xt-tent.shtml
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Hilleberg tents are very tough and durable, suitable for long duration, nomadic style trips.
Solo tourists often take the Akto (1.6kg) but it is 1 person and not free-standing.
Their 2 person free-standing model is the Allak (3.1kg)

You can get extra clips to use inner without the flysheet.

I have used the Akto in severe winds and managed to pitch it on solid bedrock using rocks and logs instead of pegs. The exterior colour is very discreet but the interior is light and colourful,
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yeah, Hilleberg seems to be top of the line, all of them are 4 season, ive met a few people who have them and they were all unanimously positive
unless i can get one 2nd hand its way out of my budget though, and i would really prefer to have a separate interior tent that can stand on its own (when the skies are clear i hardly ever put up the exterior sail)

so far interesting picks are:
*MSR Hubba Hubba: looks great, very light, space!, love how you can put it up without interior tent too; but im worried that it can't take real winds, its so high it'll fly like a kite (Patagonian winds)
https://www.trailspace.com/gear/msr/hubba-hubba/

*Terra Nova Solar 2: nice design, i could see myself cooking easily from inside
https://www.buachaille.com/p2706-2-22...a-Solar-2.html

*Cabelas XPG: cheapest 4 season tent i could find, not super exited on the design but if its a STRONG tent..
https://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabel...ent/747228.uts

*MSR Fury: expedition tent, but still manageable for normal travel, i bet its near impossible to get it in Europe at a decent price though
https://www.amazon.com/MSR-05132-Fury...791182&sr=1-47

to give some background, last time i toured with a cheap 'Dolomite' tent (~250$) in the Andes, its not something i want to worry about again (water coming in when your feet hit the inside of the tent, winds pushing it sideways so much you cant sleep, zippers breaking at the worst time..)
if that means having a tent with an extra few kilo's, so be it
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Like I said, you should really consider picking up one of the ALPS mountaineering or Big Agnes 2 person tents off of SteepAndCheap. They are not cheapo brands and you will save hundreds of dollars. There are at least 3 tents coming up every day for the last few weeks.
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hm i didnt really get the concept of steepandcheap, i have to wait until an item im interested in comes up? does it even apply for us Europeans?
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hm i didnt really get the concept of steepandcheap, i have to wait until an item im interested in comes up? does it even apply for us Europeans?
Sorry, didn't notice your location. No it wouldn't be much use to Europeans. Yeah you have to wait until it comes up, but everything is on rotation so you can count on it coming up a few times during the day. I just leave a widget on my computer. The benefit is buying stuff at less than half of the retail price, which is how you get a $90 two person tent. My last purchase there was a pair of $300 boots for $15. A lot of the stuff is junk like sunglasses and knives, but sometimes they have really good stuff too (like tents and boots).
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You indicated you are considering the MSA Hubba Hubba ( I have one ) good tent, but not so sure it will hold up well in bad weather as you had wished for. BTW do they still make the HP version?
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i did find a few online shops in the Netherlands that still sell the Hubba Hubba HP, however the price difference with the much stronger MSR Fury is about 50 eur so it's not really worth taking the risk
steepandcheap is pretty cool, they do ship to europe as well altough im not sure what the additional costs would be
either way, you US people have pretty sweet gear for reasonable prices!
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Exped Tents.

www.exped.com

Outstanding tents and in green for most models.
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I don't want to hijack this thread but I have the opportunity to choose between a NorthFace Tadpole and a Eureka! Apex 2XT tent to replace the cheap thing I've been using. I'm also opting for the NorthFace Cat's Meow bag and any opinions of that would be welcomed.

Thanks.
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i never owned a Tadpole, but my previous tent had the exact same design (from a cheap brand)
its a design thats quite wind resistant (more than simple dome tents) because of the many pole crossings and the low profile, thats probably its biggest strength
however in terms of comfort i think you will be happier with more room in a tent designed like the Apex, the Tadpole is indeed a bit like a coffin

i dont get why there is a part missing from the exterior sail on the Apex though, i mean it looks nice and all but isn't it just an extra risk to have rain crawling through or heavy winds applying more upward force on the exterior sail? i wouldn't trust this in bad conditions

as for sleeping bags, personally i think TNF bags are way overpriced, you get better value for money elsewhere, Marmot is absolutely fantastic, Warmth Unlimited is a cheaper brand but also quite nice

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Originally Posted by wiiiim
hola!
i was hoping to get some recommendations on buying a new tent for a long bike tour
what i'm hoping to find:

* 2 persons (travelling solo atm, but want extra room for future tours)
* DURABILITY! zippers that don't break after a year of everyday usage etc.
* withstand bad weather conditions
* interior tent that can stand on its own
* strength/quality is more of a priority than weight
* usable for stealth camping (eg not bright pink )

so far, this MSR Hubba Hubba HP seems interesting: https://cascadedesigns.com/en/msr/ten...bba-hp/product
altough a bit on the large side



I have never used a hubba-hp, but looking at your photo, it appears to me that the pole configuration is inferior. It seems as if the tent would lay down in a stiff breeze.
It also seems to be lacking in ventilation.

I have been using a Eureka Backcountry for over 13 years and I love it. I have camped in it literally hundreds of times, including a 95 day, 5,000mi tour. It has seen many 40mph-wind nights in the desert, and countless nights in the saltwater environment of the Florida Everglades. The zippers still work flawlessly, and the tent has no tears in it. The only thing I have done to it is re-seal the seams. The one in the photo is a Backcountry3, but they make a 2 and solo as well. I think the 2 weighs about 5lbs. A little on the heavy side, but it is bigger than most 2man tents (35sq. ft). It sells for less than $200.
The color is perfect for stealth camping(olive green). It is almost invisible at night. Ventilation is excellent.
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holy **** nice picture man!
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The best piece of equipment I bought, EVER was the Big Agnes copper spur ul2 https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Det.../CopperSpurUL2 My last tour was 23 days, not too long, but so much rain and some wind. I was always dry and comfortable. I had enough room in the vestibules for my four panniers and plenty of space for lounging inside. If you buy the footprint, you can set up the fly and footprint as a another choice. Did I mention it is light, really light. I did hear someone once complain that the fly lost it's waterproofness after some heavy desert use under the sun. Agnes replaced it right away. I can't say enough good things.
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i put some more thought into this and decided to go for a (semi) expedition tent
i figure either i spend money on something rock solid, or i don't spend it at all, hoping to have something that can resist all conditions for a really long time

so i went to a good outdoor store today and left with the following two options:
* Terra Nova Quasar, 4 season, very strong, durable, more of a traditional (proven) design, but im thinking it'll be too large for a solo tour, also very expensive..

* MSR Fury: 4 season, love the 'camel' design, really light (less than 3kg!), it *looks* a little less durable than the Quasar (the weight reduction HAS to come at a cost), but it comes at 100 eur less (470e), also the size suits me better, nice little vestibule, not quite a real expedition tent but it comes close, perfect for what i need, i just hope i can get it in green for stealth camping

so i'll probably go with the Fury, once i pitched it in the store a few times
thoughts?
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made ventilation and material improvements to Black Diamond's Mega Mid, the Mega light

It's a single pole pyramid , square floor , oodles of space , for not much weight.
a separate inner Mozzy tent and floor is also available.
raise or lower the pole for ventilation on setup, .
the center pole on the SylNylon MegaLight is Carbon Fiber..

It's got headroom in the center. most tents give you a Meter at most.

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Originally Posted by wiiiim
so i'll probably go with the Fury, once i pitched it in the store a few times
thoughts?
I'm not a big fan of mountaineering tents for bike touring. Yes, they are built to withstand really high winds and snow storms, but in exchange you give up quite a bit in space, ventilation, and extra weight. On most bike tours there are options available if the weather gets really bad, so I don't see the same need to withstand hurricane-force winds that I would on a backpacking trip above treeline.
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that depends on where you're biking of course, and for how long
ive been in a situation on the Carratera Austral (Patagonia) where both mine and a friends tent (he had a Vaude Taurus) were blown away around 7PM, we were lucky to find an abandoned cabin somewhere
other places like the inter salar or the lagunas route in Bolivia are even worse, huge winds, terrible roads, incredibly remote, -20 degrees is very common at night, or you have the really windy east coast of Patagonia with nothing but flat pampa for hundreds of kilometers; plus i'd like to do a few small treks along the way
weight is less of an issue, anything below 3kg is pretty sweet
ventilation, yeah, could be an issue, but when its hot and dry i just sleep in the interior tent alone (my main reason for wanting a free standing interior tent)

either way, the perfect tent doesn't really seem to exist :-)
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My only suggestion: buy a tent specific to its intended use. If you're going to tour alone, buy a tent for that. If you will want to tour with a partner later, get a different tent for that. I have a tent that's good for my wife and I, and when we share the weight it's not too heavy. But I wouldn't want to carry it when touring alone.
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If your looking for quality expedition type tents,look at Hilleberg,Mountain Hardware,Exped,MEC.Those are the big players in that type of tent.MH EV2 and Trango are the most popular expedition tents on the planet.

The Trango is as strong as any tent made,period.If my life depended on it,that's my first choice.

If i was going to buy a 3 season tent right now,it would be a Marmot Limelight 2.Nice tent for the money.Poly fly,free attic and footprint,Quality company.

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I know you kinda quashed the Steep And Cheap idea earlier. But I just checked and they do ship to Belgium, though I am sure it will add a hefty shipping fee and taxes and whatnot. But still, this tent is $110 US. Say it's $250 after some crazy shipping rates and duties. That is still only 170 Euros, still a fraction of the cost of the options you are looking at.

ALPS Mountaineering Chaos 2 Tent 2-Person 3-Season:

(total weight) 5 lb 6 oz
essentially the same thing as the MSR Hubba Hubba with some heavier materials
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you're completely right Dan, and i still haven't decided if ill go low budget (and just see how far i can get) or high budget (have something 100% fitted to my needs, for life)
i did go to a store yesterday and they offered me a possible discount once they have seen some description/plans of the project, in return they would want good pictures/advertisement of the gear in remote places; fine by me
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Originally Posted by wiiiim
hola!
i was hoping to get some recommendations on buying a new tent for a long bike tour
what i'm hoping to find:

* 2 persons (travelling solo atm, but want extra room for future tours)
* DURABILITY! zippers that don't break after a year of everyday usage etc.
* withstand bad weather conditions
* interior tent that can stand on its own
* strength/quality is more of a priority than weight
* usable for stealth camping (eg not bright pink )

so far, this MSR Hubba Hubba HP seems interesting: https://cascadedesigns.com/en/msr/ten...bba-hp/product
altough a bit on the large side
Check out:
https://www.junglehammock.com/

Pricey but great for stealth camping and ideal size and weight for touring.
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