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Gear advice for my first tour.
I'm hoping to make the trip from Pittsburgh to DC on the GAP and C&O trails this fall. Since this will be my fist tour, I don't have any gear except my bike!!! (A 2010 Jamis Coda Sport)
The trip will take place if I can amass the equipment needed before I have the time carved out. So far, here's what I've come up with: (I plan on camping to save $$) Bold items still need to be purchased 1. Trailer (purchased used from friend-just need to go pick it up) 2. Tent and Ground Cloth (looking at Eureka Forte SQ 2 at Campmor) 3. Sleeping Pad (Purchased) 4. Sleeping Bag (may need new one depending on total weight of the rest of items) 5. Camp stove (looking at the MSR Pocket Rocket) 6. Cookware (Looking at GSI Pinnacle Soloist which has pot, cup, and spoon) 7. 2 tubes for bike, 1 tube for trailer 8. Tire Patch kit 9. Multi tool which has tire levers, spoke wrench, and chain tool 10. Personal Hygiene items 11. 1 Extra Cycling Kit (will wash by hand one kit every day-so 1 on me and 1 packed) 12. Crocs or gym shoes 13. Jacket 14. 1 pair of long pants 15. 1 long sleeve shirt (wicking for on and off bike) 16. Rain Gear 17. Cell Phone and Charger 18. Battery Powered USB charger 19. Bike light 20. Head Lamp 21. Camp/Backpack Axe 22. Pocket Knife 23. Towel 24. Laundry Detergent for clothes 25. Chamois Creme 26. Small soft sided cooler for grocery runs 27. 4 Water bottles 28. Some food (I have Celiac disease and have to eat gluten free. This may be a challenge.) I'm sure I'm missing something and have items I don't need. Any suggestions would be great!!!! |
Originally Posted by B.Alive
(Post 12927157)
I'm hoping to make the trip from Pittsburgh to DC on the GAP and C&O trails this fall. Since this will be my fist tour, I don't have any gear except my bike!!! (A 2010 Jamis Coda Sport)
The trip will take place if I can amass the equipment needed before I have the time carved out. So far, here's what I've come up with: (I plan on camping to save $$) Bold items still need to be purchased 1. Trailer (purchased used from friend-just need to go pick it up) 2. Tent and Ground Cloth (looking at Eureka Forte SQ 2 at Campmor) 3. Sleeping Pad (Purchased) 4. Sleeping Bag (may need new one depending on total weight of the rest of items) 5. Camp stove (looking at the MSR Pocket Rocket) 6. Cookware (Looking at GSI Pinnacle Soloist which has pot, cup, and spoon) 7. 2 tubes for bike, 1 tube for trailer 8. Tire Patch kit 9. Multi tool which has tire levers, spoke wrench, and chain tool 10. Personal Hygiene items 11. 1 Extra Cycling Kit (will wash by hand one kit every day-so 1 on me and 1 packed) 12. Crocs or gym shoes 13. Jacket 14. 1 pair of long pants 15. 1 long sleeve shirt (wicking for on and off bike) 16. Rain Gear 17. Cell Phone and Charger 18. Battery Powered USB charger 19. Bike light 20. Head Lamp 21. Camp/Backpack Axe 22. Pocket Knife 23. Towel 24. Laundry Detergent for clothes 25. Chamois Creme 26. Small soft sided cooler for grocery runs 27. 4 Water bottles 28. Some food (I have Celiac disease and have to eat gluten free. This may be a challenge.) I'm sure I'm missing something and have items I don't need. Any suggestions would be great!!!! Camp Ax: Since you'll have a stove, why bring one? Head Lamp + Bike Light: If you can buy/fabricate a bike mount for your headlamp, you'll save some weight and space. :-) 4 water bottles seems excessive: I've never been on those routes, but IIRC, you're never really far from civilization and resupply resources Additional items: Maps Lock I prefer to have a separate set of sleeping clothes ( tee + boxers ) Lighter |
You don't need chamois cream. You don't need more than one pair of shoes. If you're a clipless user, mountain bike shoes will suffice. You don't need more than one type of detergent, bar soap will work for your body, cookware, and clothing. I can vouch for the GSI Soloist, it's a great pot. You don't need a soft sided cooler. You need a seperate set of sleeping clothes, such as a shirt and a pair of boxers. You need some type of off bike clothing, normally a regular pair of shorts. You can use some beach shorts for this purpose and have them double as swimming trunks. You need to have enough socks so you can have a clean pair each day.
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Originally Posted by Yan
(Post 12927521)
You don't need chamois cream. You don't need more than one pair of shoes. If you're a clipless user, mountain bike shoes will suffice. You don't need more than one type of detergent, bar soap will work for your body, cookware, and clothing. I can vouch for the GSI Soloist, it's a great pot. You don't need a soft sided cooler. You need a seperate set of sleeping clothes, such as a shirt and a pair of boxers. You need some type of off bike clothing, normally a regular pair of shorts. You can use some beach shorts for this purpose and have them double as swimming trunks. You need to have enough socks so you can have a clean pair each day.
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Originally Posted by B.Alive
(Post 12927157)
1. Trailer (purchased used from friend-just need to go pick it up)
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Since you're in a place with plenty of trees, check out a hammock instead of a tent. It's without a doubt the most comfortable way to camp. Not quite as comfy as a bed (though some like it more) but in a completely different league than the ground in terms of comfort and how well you sleep.
I have a Grand Trunk Ultralight Skeeter Beeter which has a bug net integrated and all you need to add is a tarp for rain/wind cover. I'd get a pretty big one that can give you a little "porch" area and a place to stow your bike in case of overnight rain as well. Hammockforums.net has lots of people that can tell you all about hammocking. The hammock I have cost 60 bucks new, weighs like 20 ounces, and is fantastic except for the stock suspension, which will do, but you'll want to upgrade it if you find you like it and want to continue. You still need a sleeping pad and sleeping bag in a hammock, for insulation, although hammock nerds usually replace it with a "top quilt" (the ultralight answer to sleeping bag which has no bottom, since the bottom does you no good anyway) and an "underquilt" to keep you warm from below by covering the hammock from the outside. A sleeping mat under you does the same thing, but, and I know as I've used one, it can be real annoying to try and keep it from shifting out under you. As for the other stuff, hard to go wrong, just buy reputable brands and products with good reviews. Unless you're trying to go light or ultralight (worth thinking about) it's hard to make a real bad purchase. |
Get it all together and go for an overnight test tour.
Cancel the axe. Add three pair of socks. |
I would get a saw instead of an ax. I'll tell you what happened to one of my friends. He was out in the boundary waters and a tree fell on top of him and landed on his pack. He was basically pinned underneath the tree with just enough breathing room to grab his saw. Slowly he sawed away at the trunk until he got out. He said he would never have been able to do it with an ax.
Never camp near dead trees. We call these widowmakers. |
3. Sleeping Pad (Purchased) - Depending on your budget... Thermarest NeoAir (nice, but $$$) or Thermarest Prolite Plus (nice enough)
4. Sleeping Bag (may need new one depending on total weight of the rest of items) - The North Face Cat's Meow is a very nice bag if you like synthetic 5. Camp stove (looking at the MSR Pocket Rocket) - The Pocket Rocket is a nice stove. That said I usually use a home made pepsi can alcohol stove because fuel is much easier to find in much of the US. That may not be an issue for you though depending on where you plan to tour in the future. 13. Jacket - I usually just take a pile sweater and use the rain jacket over it if it is cold. Lately I have started taking a down vest that is used mostly as a pillow, but if it is unexpectedly cold... I think I paid something like $30 for it from Cabelas. 16. Rain Gear - I like the cheapish coated nylon ones that come in a little stuff sack. I think mine is Sierra Designs. 21. Camp/Backpack Axe - Seriously? That is one item that I have never even considered. 24. Laundry Detergent for clothes - I usually take only one kind of soap and use it for body, dishes, and laundry. I have used on different trips, camp suds, dr bronners, and baby shampoo. All worked OK. 25. Chamois Creme - Never felt the to take this need myself. 26. Small soft sided cooler for grocery runs - Personally I'd skip this one. 27. 4 Water bottles - I typically take two on the frame and where necessary carry additional water in recycled gatorade bottles in the pannier. I just stop and fill the bike bottles once in a while. Be aware that some of the pumps on the C&O have absolutely awful tasting water and others are OK. |
Cooking stuff: salt, pepper, herbs, spices, flexi cutting board/prep surface, olive oil. Smallest wooden spoon.
Cooler: I prefer a minimalist backpack (no padding) for grocery runs and luggage over-spill. Insect repellant. First aid kit (cuts, grazes, infections) with small scissors/tweezers. Pocket knife: is it big enough for food prep, does it have can/bottle openers, screwdrivers etc. Length of ducktape, few zip ties, 5-10m parachord, chain powerlink. |
+1 on losing the axe and the cooler.
Laundry detergent? What are you going to be washing during such a relatively short trip? We just got back from 9 days of riding in Montana. Washed the bilke clothes in showers (and once in a river) with Camp Suds, which you can do dishes, wash your body and even brush your teeth with. (Don't take the enitre bottle. Put what you think you will need a small, plastic bottle.) Didn't wash the off-bike stuff. +1 on the cooking stuff noted directly above if you like to prepare elaborate meals. No short pants? What if you get a warm fall day? Suggest a pair of convertible pants. The kind with the legs that zip off. Kill two birds with one stone. If you will using potentially skeevy showers, a cheap-o pair of flip flops come in handy and weigh next to nothing. Strap them under the bungees that hold your tent to the rack. +1 on the Cat's Meow. Worked great on my recent tour. TR ProLite 3 (or whatever the modern equivalent is these days) is also nice. |
For the sleeping pad, I'm a fan of the old style closed cell foam pads. They cost a fraction of a new inflatable pad and weigh less to boot.
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Thanks folks!
I'm actually going to change out my road pedals to SPD this weekend. Looking at Shimano A-530 for the dual side. Probably going to get a pair of stiff soled Shimano M077 shoes (if they feel good) to go with them. So scrap the camp ax! Crocs can double as flip flops in the shower. Add maps/itinerary, lock, sleep/off bike clothes, don't know how I missed socks, my Go Lite pack in place of cooler, duct tape, zip ties, cord, and multi use soap! Great advice!!! |
I have done the C&O and have friends who have done the whole thing from Pittsburg to DC... not sure why you need a map. From what I have heard, once at the trail head, it is very difficult to 'get lost'... You definitely don't need a map on the C&O-- just follow the path downstream :)
train safe- |
Well, not really a map. More of a "where the campgrounds are" kind of a thing.
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I will sell you my Pocket Rocket stove. I want something that doesn't sound like a jet engine. I'm also tired of fuel cannisters. I may get a Trangia or a multi-fuel stove. Compare the Pocket Rocket with some other stoves before you buy.
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Originally Posted by buelito
(Post 12930391)
I have done the C&O and have friends who have done the whole thing from Pittsburg to DC... not sure why you need a map. From what I have heard, once at the trail head, it is very difficult to 'get lost'... You definitely don't need a map on the C&O-- just follow the path downstream :)
train safe- |
Originally Posted by mulveyr
(Post 12931833)
Not particularly for the trail itself, but sometimes stuff happens and an area map is useful for being able to tell 911 where you're waiting for the ambulance with your broken leg. ;-)
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Originally Posted by B.Alive
(Post 12930417)
Well, not really a map. More of a "where the campgrounds are" kind of a thing.
I think you mentioned you were considering 60 mile days. Starting in McKeesport that breaks down to: Night 1: Confluence (Outflow Campground) Night 2: Cumberland (either ride to the first hiker biker site outside town or camp at the YMCA.) Night 3: Hancock area (one of the hiker/biker sites.) Night 4. Harpers Ferry area (one of the hiker/biker sites or the city-run campground in Brunswick.) |
Awesome Neil!!!
Those are the points I planned on staying, I've loosely researched the campgrounds. This is a HUGE help!!! So, there are free sites in the Cumberland, Hancock, and Harpers Ferry area? Wonder if there's a truck stop near by for showers? Wish you could make the trip with me. |
Originally Posted by B.Alive
(Post 12940595)
Awesome Neil!!!
Those are the points I planned on staying, I've loosely researched the campgrounds. This is a HUGE help!!! So, there are free sites in the Cumberland, Hancock, and Harpers Ferry area? Wonder if there's a truck stop near by for showers? Wish you could make the trip with me. BTW, the YMCA camping was cheap, and you can use the gym and showers across the street. |
Originally Posted by spike57
(Post 12931251)
I will sell you my Pocket Rocket stove. I want something that doesn't sound like a jet engine. I'm also tired of fuel cannisters. I may get a Trangia or a multi-fuel stove. Compare the Pocket Rocket with some other stoves before you buy.
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Sorry to butt in on your thread, but can folks tell me why you're so anti-cooler? We're leaving for a month long tour in a week or so and were planning to bring a small soft-sided cooler for putting fruits/frozen dinners/etc in. (Will be touring in Sweden, where a common feature of campgrounds is a communal microwave.)
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Originally Posted by Spudd
(Post 12942920)
Sorry to butt in on your thread, but can folks tell me why you're so anti-cooler? We're leaving for a month long tour in a week or so and were planning to bring a small soft-sided cooler for putting fruits/frozen dinners/etc in. (Will be touring in Sweden, where a common feature of campgrounds is a communal microwave.)
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Originally Posted by B.Alive
(Post 12930417)
Well, not really a map. More of a "where the campgrounds are" kind of a thing.
Another suggestion: replacement spokes. I rode the trail on a hybrid bike without any trouble, but one night at a campsite on the C&O I ran into a couple on road bikes. Two of his spokes had snapped, and they had a horrid time finding replacements. I carry a kevlar spoke just in case (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/t...ing.html#spoke). I've never had to use it <knocks wood> so I can't give you a review based on personal experience -- but I've heard good things about them. |
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