Never even thought of that. If I'm honest, I'm just not a trailer- or recumbent- or foldable- kind of person. Can that make sense?

When I started bicycle touring after having been on the road hitchhiking for six years (end of the 70's early 80's), I just lashed my small rucksack, sleeping bag and guitar to the rear rack of a 5-speed bike and rode from Sweden to Spain (barefoot).

I've tried to keep it simple since then too, but now have a touring bike, a tent, even bought waterproof panniers this year. I even have shoes nowadays!!!, so who knows how it may end! :D

jeez imi you have had some life up to now fair play to ya.
still consider a trailer you have tried most everything else lol.

Xtracycle long tail conversion or a big dummy, will have plenty of room
for a Guitar in it's case on one side of the load platform area.
Seen it done.. on The Coast , Here.

You're obviously getting soft. :lol:

well back to the trousers, the groundeffict was on top of the list but i was told about the kiwi pro stretch so i went for them instead at half price excellent.
out of the packing i am very pleased, stretchy material /plenty pockets/ slim fitting / quick drying/and fit me like a glove.so there you go boys and girls at last a pair of trousers that actually does what it says on the tin.
thanks all for the input.

Bibs make potty breaks inconvenient. I pretty much wear merino t shirts, wicking poly shirts, and some sort of loose, quick-drying shorts over cycling shorts.

My Marine Corps bike jersey started several friendly conversations last tour, so it gets included as well.