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Old 10-17-11, 11:52 AM
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Police thought my bicycles were bombs, evacuated airport

Title says it all. I was sitting in a cafe at Budapest airport with my luggage unattended in the lobby. An officer comes in, tells everyone to leave because there is a suspected bomb. I stand up to run away, and when I got outside I saw they'd placed an orange blast barrier around my two bikes and were maintaining a vigilant standoff. The passengers are all hurrying away in every direction and soon there were hundreds of them crowded behind a distant police line.

There was a firetruck outside. The firemen have masks and oxygen. They had a dog. They had a blast container. They were ready for me to tell them those are bicycles.

They were not very amused. There was lots of serious discussion. They took my passport information. There was an inspection during which only I touched my stuff. When they were satisfied they made me sign a release paper and all disappeared in a hurry. I'm sure I'll never be able to come back to Hungary again. My girlfriend will not be amused

One of my bikes was in a Scott branded cardboard box. The other was in a Pika Packworks soft bag. Additionally there was a massive suitcase containing six panniers and a tent.

In other news, the bike tour was fine. We spent a month riding from Budapest to the Black Sea via Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria. I bought a Dracula shirt.
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WOW! glad they didn't "disarm" your bikes
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Did anyone explain to you where they got the idea that the bikes were bombs?
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You left your luggage unattended and you are surprised at the result? If so, I am not sure why.
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Originally Posted by Thulsadoom View Post
Did anyone explain to you where they got the idea that the bikes were bombs?
The boxes were big and there were three of them in a pile. I guess when they see something unusual they get nervous, especially if there is no owner standing by. Actually if someone wanted to blow up an airport, they don't need more than a small suitcase.

They told me I have to be with my luggage at all times.

Indyfabz, most people leave their luggage unattended at some point every time they fly. For example, you cannot push trolleys into the bathroom with you.
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
The boxes were big and there were three of them in a pile. I guess when they see something unusual they get nervous, especially if there is no owner standing by. Actually if someone wanted to blow up an airport, they don't need more than a small suitcase.

They told me I have to be with my luggage at all times.

Indyfabz, most people leave their luggage unattended at some point every time they fly. For example, you cannot push trolleys into the bathroom with you.
I don't nor do most people. They may not be beside their luggage but they'll have it in sight at all times.

This wasn't outside a bathroom and presumably was for more than 2/3 minutes. Apart from the chances of having your luggage causing a security scare there is another good reason for not leaving it unattended and that's to still have it all when you get to where you're going.

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Well, I didn't post this story to initiate a scholarly discussion on the pervasiveness of theft in Hungary, nor regarding whether a terrorist can inflict more casualties by leaving a bomb outside a bathroom or outside a coffee shop, and definitely not on whether a suicide bomber might wish to leave his luggage unattended before detonating it.

It takes about one minute to walk 100m. A genuine security threat could be half a kilometer away in less than the time it takes the average person to take a dump.

Hopefully most people who read this can see the incident as yet another absurd exercise of security theatre which apparently has spread even to countries as innocent as Hungary, and reflect with amused irony at how airports have managed to find yet another way to harass us already beleagured traveling cyclists.
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Hopefully most people who read this can see the incident as yet another absurd exercise of security theatre which apparently has spread even to countries as innocent as Hungary, and reflect with amused irony at how airports have managed to find yet another way to harass us already beleagured traveling cyclists.
Seriously? This has nothing to do with harassing "beleagured cyclists." Do you realize how long airport security has been telling people not to leave their luggage unattended? I remember hearing the recorded messages (incessantly, over, and over, and over again) at airports back when I was an airline employee in the late 1980s, and I imagine it started in the 1970s when airport-related terrorism started becoming more frequent. There's nothing absurd about it.
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A friend of a friend had their luggage exploded at some European airport because she left it for a few minutes. Or so I hear. They literally had this robot come with a shroud they put over it, they evacuated an area, and blew it up.

I don't remember much more than that. The bottom line is that in Europe, especially, they are very paranoid about that kind of thing and that translates into action, not speeches on TV at election time.
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In a world where people blow up other people for no reason, thats the only way they could actually deal with the situation rationally. Compared to human lives, unattended parcels are nothing. I say, if it saves lives, go ahead, "defuse" them.
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One of the most seriously "Duuuuuhhhh!" posts in a long time.
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
Title says it all.... I bought a Dracula shirt.
Did your GF buy one of these?



You wouldn't be so flippant if this had occurred in a major US airport, where you'd probably have been detained, searched and interrogated. You may have been arrested and facing legal proceeding and fine. Your name may have been inadvertently added to a no-fly list, making future air travel practically impossible. None of this would necessarily be warranted, but it might occur as retribution for delaying thousands of travelers and costing airlines and airports a million bucks.

If this sounds like hyperbole, consider the estimated cost of diverting a single flight with 100 passengers is $10,000. Be more considerate of fellow travelers next time.
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Originally Posted by simplygib View Post
Seriously? This has nothing to do with harassing "beleagured cyclists." Do you realize how long airport security has been telling people not to leave their luggage unattended? I remember hearing the recorded messages (incessantly, over, and over, and over again) at airports back when I was an airline employee in the late 1980s, and I imagine it started in the 1970s when airport-related terrorism started becoming more frequent. There's nothing absurd about it.
If I had left a backpack next to a newspaper reading fellow passenger, do you honestly think security would have noticed, let alone done anything? How about behind the bears in the store? In the garbage bin? It's absurd because it diverts security resources away from legitimately manageble threat vectors. Its absurd because a law abiding traveller cannot buy a sandwich without causing fifty people to miss their flights. It's absurd because the paranoia and fear that pervades our environment is an afrontment to our liberties and a pat on the back to our enemies.

Through our reactions we produce exactly the result which they seek. Let's be honest here: it's almost impossible for an intelligent and determined attacker who has no regard for his own life to fail in a well planned attack. You can pack far more explosives in a van parked at the passenger drop off than you ever could in a couple of bike cases inside the hall. Should we screen all the cars arriving at the airport?

We are relatively free of attacks, ten years since 911, due to the collective efforts of the global intelligence community, and due to the fact that there actually are very few terrorists; not due to the fact that there are metal detectors at the airport, which we all know can't even detect the cleats on our cycling shoes.

To Christoph a few posts above: there are very good reasons why people want to blow us up. If we could all understand eachother's perceived injustices, there be a lot more dialogue and a lot less desperate actions.

To Seeker333 with the tshirt image: there's no need to resort to childishness. I'm clearly not stupid and neither are you. I'm from Toronto and am out of major US cities all the time. I do not get detained, interrogated, and put on a no fly list because I leave my trolly outside a coffee shop while I buy a sandwich.
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Yan - -

It has nothing to do with the motives of persons who might want to bomb public places - - although it would be a stretch to justify them. It has nothing to do with whether or not a van can pack more explosives than a bicycle box.

It has everything to do with unattended luggage - large pieces that were sitting out by themselves. Sorry, but anyone who has been awake for the past 25 years knows that one does not leave luggage unattended - esp. since 9-11, the London Tube bombings, and the Spanish train bombings. Security does not have time to announce, "Would the person who left their pile of luggage in front of Gate 74 please return to claim it?"

One of the problems of schlepping your bike luggage around in airports is that you may be stuck eating old bagels and gorp. Although you did mention "bicycles" - - plural. So I suspect that you had a companion. IN that case, one of you stays with the bikes until they are checked.

Inconvenient? Yes. But you inconvenienced the people in the airport far more.
Cowboy up and say, "Mea culpa."
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I am flying alone with two bicycles and touring gear for two. I have two trollies, which I transport by pushing them alternately. There are no porters here. At any given moment half my luggage is unattended and there's just no way around that. I try to shuffle frequently so they are not too far from me at any time. Then I bought food, which apparently was a fatal mistake.
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I am flying alone with two bicycles and touring gear for two. I have two trollies, which I transport by pushing them alternately. There are no porters here. At any given moment half my luggage is unattended and there's just no way around that. I try to shuffle frequently so they are not too far from me at any time. Then I bought food, which apparently was a fatal mistake.
There has to be. You can make security aware of your issue for one. Why do you need two bikes? How many can you ride at once? If the other was for your GF then she should be transporting the bike not you.

This was really stupid for many reasons. For one someone could have slipped something into your luggage. A bomb, weapons drugs... You wouldn't be funny if you were facing drug charges right now or meet up with the owner at the other end wanting his shipment.

You really should have been forced to pay for the costs of the evacuation and search.
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If I had left a backpack next to a newspaper reading fellow passenger, do you honestly think security would have noticed, let alone done anything?
Yes. They are trained to look out for that. We were trained as airline employees to look out for that. Everyone who works at the airport is trained to look out for that. And hopefully the "fellow passenger" would have enough sense to report it. If someone didn't notice it would be a failure of airport security.

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How about behind the bears in the store? In the garbage bin? It's absurd because it diverts security resources away from legitimately manageble threat vectors.
Yes, there are people watching for all of that, on video monitors as well as in person. Whether you think that's absurd or not is irrelevant. You are still required to comply, and if you don't - well you found out what happens.

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Its absurd because a law abiding traveller cannot buy a sandwich without causing fifty people to miss their flights.
I've flown a lot. I manage to buy food without leaving luggage unattended. The key is checking the luggage, then buying the food. If you're stuck with the luggage for awhile, then don't buy the food until you get it checked. It's not rocket science.

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It's absurd because the paranoia and fear that pervades our environment is an afrontment to our liberties and a pat on the back to our enemies.
If you think so, that's fine, as long as you comply with the rules while you're thinking it's all absurd. Picking and choosing which rules you'll comply with due to your assessment of their various levels of absurdity will get you in trouble, however, and possibly inconvenience a lot of people.

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Through our reactions we produce exactly the result which they seek. Let's be honest here: it's almost impossible for an intelligent and determined attacker who has no regard for his own life to fail in a well planned attack. You can pack far more explosives in a van parked at the passenger drop off than you ever could in a couple of bike cases inside the hall. Should we screen all the cars arriving at the airport?

We are relatively free of attacks, ten years since 911, due to the collective efforts of the global intelligence community, and due to the fact that there actually are very few terrorists; not due to the fact that there are metal detectors at the airport, which we all know can't even detect the cleats on our cycling shoes.
I suggest you write to your favorite airport security office with your observations and suggestions. In the meantime, please don't leave luggage unattended at airports. Besides making a spectacle of yourself, it's likely to inconvenience thousands of travelers and cost local airport authorities a lot of money for the security response.

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They're pretty tough on terror in Hungary. You best mind your P's and Q's.

https://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmu...z-set-20111010

https://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungaria...ter-props.html

I think you should seriously thank your lucky stars they found you before they blowed your stuff up, blowed it up real good. (this final bit of Canadien content supplied specifically for our Canadien readers)
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I suggest you write to your favorite airport security office with your observations and suggestions. In the meantime, please don't leave luggage unattended at airports. Besides making a spectacle of yourself, it's likely to inconvenience thousands of travelers and cost local airport authorities a lot of money for the security response.
Good God. This thread is proving the OP's point beautifully. We've been Pavlov'd so well to freak out, that we've just overlooked the underlying problem, which is communicating with one another as human beings.

I fly a lot. I work in airports all over the country. People are dumb. They leave their luggage unattended all the time. My boss and I were at Hartsfield just the other day and a woman had left her purse unattended for an hour. My boss couldn't even focus on the task at hand because he was too bloody worried about this woman's bag. I would have worried about it myself, but more for the reason of someone pilfering her cash or something.

We can all agree that the safety of passengers is no joke. But seriously, this culture of paranoia is a major turn-off. Picture a turban wearing terrorist, intent on harming you or your fellow passengers. You're squeezing one out in the bathroom, or buying a donut, or chatting with a redhead, and blammo! You've been slipped a grenade. Or a packet of C4. Then why the hell did I just let those jock sniffing TSA agents ogle and prod me through the shoeless security line!!??? Let's focus our energies on the real problem, which is the cultural disconnect and the fact that there are people who want to bomb other people in the first place.

But back on topic. Any pics of the tour?
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Hahaha.. yes unattended baggage freaks people out.(particularly when it's 6 large cyinders in one container!) Reminds me of somebody i know who over-packed their suitcase so full of stuff that when the inspector went to open it this girl unwittingly warms her saying "careful it might explode"

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Can't fix that.
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Hahaha!

If you're still stuck in the 2000s, always make sure to remove your This Bike is a Pipe Bomb stickers, also...
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Interesting post, Yan.

Any marginally competent chemist, biochemist or molecular biologist could easily kill everyone on any flight at any time. These absurd security dances we do won't stop any determined attack. They do, however, help us all feel afraid and therefore make us all easily manipulated. It looks like the terrorists have won; we are indeed terrorized. Or, as they said on the Daily Show, "We're safe, but not safe."
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Simple solution to this problem is to stop whining and just keep an eye on your stuff.
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Why did you leave your bikes unattended??? If they were mine I'd be watching over them like a mother hen!
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