USA cycling jersey in Europe?
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Only recently.. I rode on tour thru CZ before the Slovak divorce.
I think the wine drinking eastern end and the beer drinking western end
was part of the schism ..
now the Slovaks are in the Eurozone, Czechs are not.
Austro-Hungarian Hapsburg empire went thru a more violent end ..
I think the wine drinking eastern end and the beer drinking western end
was part of the schism ..
now the Slovaks are in the Eurozone, Czechs are not.
Austro-Hungarian Hapsburg empire went thru a more violent end ..
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As has been stated, why would you want to? I've always found flying flags (literally and metaphorically speaking) to be off-putting unless you manage to cross paths with someone else flying the same flag.
Also, people saying that he'd immediately be recognized as an American...what? Why? Where do you get that from? I'm a fairly plain looking guy from the US, and, to be fair, I've never been to the Czech Republic, but in France, Germany, Belgium and Sweden, no one ever walked up to me speaking English under the assumption that I was an American. In fact, after asking if they speak English, several folks have asked me if I'm from the UK (which is absolutely hilarious to me, as an accent-free American). I don't know the OP's heritage (and I'm assuming the rest of you don't either), but I think it's ludicrous to assume that he'll stick out like a sore thumb in a country like the Czech Republic.
Granted I've never toured in Africa, the Middle East, or other "less-than-safe areas," but I also don't understand the lying about your origins thing, especially in a European country like the Czech Republic. If someone asks me where I'm from, I always tell them I'm from the US. I think, as people who greatly rely on other peoples' good will, most of us are keenly aware of a person's intentions based on their approach--anyone who comes up to you to say hello or ask what you're up to (and doesn't look stabby) is generally friendly.
I've never told someone I was an American and had them dismiss or attack me. In fact, I've never wound up in a sketchy situation because of where I'm from (again, I've only been in "safe" countries). As someone else has stated, I find people are more interested once when they find out I'm American. Everyone wants to rap about politics, their family members in the US, or tell me stories about traveling to the US. As long as you're not an ass, or offend some cultural sensibilities, only truly depraved and simple-minded individuals care where you were born. I'm not a patriotic person by any means (in fact, quite the opposite if we're being candid here), but I just don't see any reason to lie about where I'm from. I've traveled with a very-proud-to-be-an-American type (when in America), and whenever people ask him where he's from, he says he's from Canada. It's embarrassing. Fremdscham!
Also, people saying that he'd immediately be recognized as an American...what? Why? Where do you get that from? I'm a fairly plain looking guy from the US, and, to be fair, I've never been to the Czech Republic, but in France, Germany, Belgium and Sweden, no one ever walked up to me speaking English under the assumption that I was an American. In fact, after asking if they speak English, several folks have asked me if I'm from the UK (which is absolutely hilarious to me, as an accent-free American). I don't know the OP's heritage (and I'm assuming the rest of you don't either), but I think it's ludicrous to assume that he'll stick out like a sore thumb in a country like the Czech Republic.
Granted I've never toured in Africa, the Middle East, or other "less-than-safe areas," but I also don't understand the lying about your origins thing, especially in a European country like the Czech Republic. If someone asks me where I'm from, I always tell them I'm from the US. I think, as people who greatly rely on other peoples' good will, most of us are keenly aware of a person's intentions based on their approach--anyone who comes up to you to say hello or ask what you're up to (and doesn't look stabby) is generally friendly.
I've never told someone I was an American and had them dismiss or attack me. In fact, I've never wound up in a sketchy situation because of where I'm from (again, I've only been in "safe" countries). As someone else has stated, I find people are more interested once when they find out I'm American. Everyone wants to rap about politics, their family members in the US, or tell me stories about traveling to the US. As long as you're not an ass, or offend some cultural sensibilities, only truly depraved and simple-minded individuals care where you were born. I'm not a patriotic person by any means (in fact, quite the opposite if we're being candid here), but I just don't see any reason to lie about where I'm from. I've traveled with a very-proud-to-be-an-American type (when in America), and whenever people ask him where he's from, he says he's from Canada. It's embarrassing. Fremdscham!
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"I'm thinking it would be nice to buy matching USA cycling jerseys for the trip"
How so? Why would you want to do that, and what do you think it says to others? US is known for being insular, and not well up on other countries, and jingoistically patriotic. Americans have also killed well over 30 million people around the world since the Philippines. Are stationed in over 100 countries where they normally create huge environmental messes then if they leave at all, they fail to clean up.
If you take the French reference above, in the first instance they seem to think they deserve credit for showing up 3 years late and taking total casualties in the war not that far off the worst 1 day casualties the French and British took.
Every country has it's baggage, the US is a great country, but not everyone you meet will feel the same about it as you do. Matching team jerseys sends the wrong message. It beats arriving in tanks, but if you are a cyclists, ride a tandem, and appear to be open to local experiences you get a huge amount of credit in the bank. People love it when others show an interest in their country. People love the idea that people from the US want to come to their little backwater, because they have all though of living the high life in LA, or NY, and have probably watched US movies, listened to music, in a way that is not really replicatable if your thoughts about Czechoslovakia. If you wear US jerseys you will offend some people, and possibly meet less interesting people overall.
It is all about the impression you make. The first few paragraphs here presumably make a bad impression, and the third probably works better, but many people may not have made it that far since first impressions count.
How so? Why would you want to do that, and what do you think it says to others? US is known for being insular, and not well up on other countries, and jingoistically patriotic. Americans have also killed well over 30 million people around the world since the Philippines. Are stationed in over 100 countries where they normally create huge environmental messes then if they leave at all, they fail to clean up.
If you take the French reference above, in the first instance they seem to think they deserve credit for showing up 3 years late and taking total casualties in the war not that far off the worst 1 day casualties the French and British took.
Every country has it's baggage, the US is a great country, but not everyone you meet will feel the same about it as you do. Matching team jerseys sends the wrong message. It beats arriving in tanks, but if you are a cyclists, ride a tandem, and appear to be open to local experiences you get a huge amount of credit in the bank. People love it when others show an interest in their country. People love the idea that people from the US want to come to their little backwater, because they have all though of living the high life in LA, or NY, and have probably watched US movies, listened to music, in a way that is not really replicatable if your thoughts about Czechoslovakia. If you wear US jerseys you will offend some people, and possibly meet less interesting people overall.
It is all about the impression you make. The first few paragraphs here presumably make a bad impression, and the third probably works better, but many people may not have made it that far since first impressions count.
The Czech Republic is, BTW, not an Eastern European country, it is a Central European country and they quite take exception to the incorrect appellation. I think bob's remark about the different drinking habits to be in a way right on the mark. The two ends of the country never saw a lot of things the same way.
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When my ex-USAF friend was stationed in Germany, (and later Italy), he took every precaution to *not* to look like a furriner. This included buying clothes from local shops to wear when he was off-base and off-duty. He also took advantage of the locations to learn German and Italian.
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Actually, if time allows, OP could do it in a somewhat "scientific" way, tryin jerseys with and without the banners to estimate the effect they produce. Could even be a small article for a bicycle touring magazine, given the country is safe for such sorts of experiments. CR definitely is.
Have to try this idea myself one day.
Have to try this idea myself one day.
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Also, people saying that he'd immediately be recognized as an American...what? Why? Where do you get that from? I'm a fairly plain looking guy from the US, and, to be fair, I've never been to the Czech Republic, but in France, Germany, Belgium and Sweden, no one ever walked up to me speaking English under the assumption that I was an American. In fact, after asking if they speak English, several folks have asked me if I'm from the UK (which is absolutely hilarious to me, as an accent-free American). I don't know the OP's heritage (and I'm assuming the rest of you don't either), but I think it's ludicrous to assume that he'll stick out like a sore thumb in a country like the Czech Republic.
As for touring, I'd skip the jersey (and bike shorts, if possible). It will make you less approachable.
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I did have to laugh at this. Being stationed here in Germany, and travled extensively throughout Europe, it is not hard to pick out the Americans. We do stick out like sore thumbs, and it's not a bad thing. No, I haven't worn an American Flag jersey or anything, but before I even open my mouth on my cycle tours, they know I'm an American. Most enjoy that we travel and want to learn about other places.
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And because I'm proud of my country and feel lucky to be an American. We did, after all, liberate the vast majority of Europeans, including those in the Czech Republic, and put in place the Marshall Plan which was of significant assistance in rebuilding the place.
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The loud American was a description coined decades ago, and there are certainly pitfalls in terms of the cultural sensibilities.
However, unfortunately from my point of view, the mantle of crass and loud behaviour has been taken over by Australians, especially the young ones who just don't seem to know when to shut up and stop drinking, and want to solve everything with their fists. It's got to a point where tourism officials in one Central European city said they didn't need Australians as tourists because of their loutish behaviour. Sadly, the official was dismissed after pressure from Australian foreign affairs dicks who complained rather than took on board the criticism.
However, unfortunately from my point of view, the mantle of crass and loud behaviour has been taken over by Australians, especially the young ones who just don't seem to know when to shut up and stop drinking, and want to solve everything with their fists. It's got to a point where tourism officials in one Central European city said they didn't need Australians as tourists because of their loutish behaviour. Sadly, the official was dismissed after pressure from Australian foreign affairs dicks who complained rather than took on board the criticism.
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Ah, I wasn't trying to imply that because he's an American, he's an ass. In fact, I've never really understand the "Americans abroad are jerks" sentiment. There are definitely bad seeds, but I think by-and-large, Americans are pretty generous and well-mannered tourists. The Americans I've run into "in the wild" (i.e. not at work) have been pleasant, if not clueless...I think ignorant and culturally-resistant would be a more appropriate descriptions for most American tourists. In my experience, a lot of peoples' negative American experiences stem from young, idiotic soldiers stationed in their cities/villages...the quality soldiers (and younger American society in general) seem to have really deteriorated, socially, in the last 20 years. My generation, and subsequent generations are full of degenerates.
I've found Australian travelers to be some of the most pleasant people I've run into during my travels, but I understand that a lot of you guys take a year or two vacation after high school/immediately after college, yeah? I could see how they've developed that kind of reputation...young kids fresh out of high school free of parental rule for the first time lashing out with their new-found freedom and college kids finally free from school looking to have a good time.
Anyway...this is veering way off topic, hah.
I've found Australian travelers to be some of the most pleasant people I've run into during my travels, but I understand that a lot of you guys take a year or two vacation after high school/immediately after college, yeah? I could see how they've developed that kind of reputation...young kids fresh out of high school free of parental rule for the first time lashing out with their new-found freedom and college kids finally free from school looking to have a good time.
Anyway...this is veering way off topic, hah.
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As a native European, I'd say wear what you like. That American flag jersey might make you look a bit too patriotic to some, but they wouldn't shoot you for it, it's not Texas after all. (Just kidding!) In fact, you might find some Europeans wearing American flag branded clothing as well, most don't care that much about nationalities.
Generally Central and West Europeans are very peaceful these days and try to make it work for everyone in a friendly, negotiated way. But they do frown upon people who want to wear guns, are religious fanatics or are fanatical in anything else, including patriotism. Try not to be like the Americans that reach European media all the time (they are usually considered crazy). The credit earned during and after the World Wars is long gone. Recent activities in the Middle East and regarding the environment, however, are not forgotten and a lot of Europeans don't like those. But if you behave well and don't act like a supporter of violations of human rights, violations of international treaties, oil wars or the Tea Party, most people will just be curious to know where you're from, what you've done and where you're heading to. Your nationality won't be a problem, it's the way you behave that will make people love or hate you.
Just be friendly enjoy your stay!
Also, it's a good idea to try and speak the local language, even if it's only a few sentences. People will appreciate it a lot!
Generally Central and West Europeans are very peaceful these days and try to make it work for everyone in a friendly, negotiated way. But they do frown upon people who want to wear guns, are religious fanatics or are fanatical in anything else, including patriotism. Try not to be like the Americans that reach European media all the time (they are usually considered crazy). The credit earned during and after the World Wars is long gone. Recent activities in the Middle East and regarding the environment, however, are not forgotten and a lot of Europeans don't like those. But if you behave well and don't act like a supporter of violations of human rights, violations of international treaties, oil wars or the Tea Party, most people will just be curious to know where you're from, what you've done and where you're heading to. Your nationality won't be a problem, it's the way you behave that will make people love or hate you.
Just be friendly enjoy your stay!
Also, it's a good idea to try and speak the local language, even if it's only a few sentences. People will appreciate it a lot!
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From my experience, when I've attempted to speak French to people in France, they often try to speak English to me so they can practice their English. Between the two of us and our two languages, we work together to accomplish the goal (i.e. purchasing tickets for the train).
But there's no need for me to shout.
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Some of my observations while cycling for 3 months in Europe:
-A lot of native European bike tourist wear bike cloths, including lycra shorts.
-We were asked if we were English more than if we were U.S.
-We greeted people in the language of the country we were in at the time. They may or may not have known what our country of origin was, but may have thought we just had a speech impediment.
-The only Europeans who wore logo jerseys were the club "roadies".
-Most bike tourists did not wear logo jerseys, if they wore one at all.
-European bike tourists wear helmets.
-Because of our Ortlieb panniers many people asked if we were German when they approached us.
- Most people really did not care what country we were from, but were curious about our route and where we were headed.
Personally, my wife and I would not wear matching jerseys of any kind, even in the U.S. I don't like purple, and she is too independent. It is the same reason we don't ride a tandem.
We tried a tandem once but couldn't get the hang of it.
-A lot of native European bike tourist wear bike cloths, including lycra shorts.
-We were asked if we were English more than if we were U.S.
-We greeted people in the language of the country we were in at the time. They may or may not have known what our country of origin was, but may have thought we just had a speech impediment.
-The only Europeans who wore logo jerseys were the club "roadies".
-Most bike tourists did not wear logo jerseys, if they wore one at all.
-European bike tourists wear helmets.
-Because of our Ortlieb panniers many people asked if we were German when they approached us.
- Most people really did not care what country we were from, but were curious about our route and where we were headed.
Personally, my wife and I would not wear matching jerseys of any kind, even in the U.S. I don't like purple, and she is too independent. It is the same reason we don't ride a tandem.
We tried a tandem once but couldn't get the hang of it.
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Some of my observations while cycling for 3 months in Europe:
-A lot of native European bike tourist wear bike cloths, including lycra shorts.
-We were asked if we were English more than if we were US.
-We greeted people in the language of the country we were in at the time. They may or may not have known what our country of origin was, but may have thought we just had a speech impediment.
-The only Europeans who wore logo jerseys were the club "rodies".
-Most bike tourists did not wear logo jerseys, if they wore one at all.
-European bike tourists wear helmets.
-Because of our Ortlieb panniers many people asked if we were German when they approached us.
- Most people really did not care what country we were from, but were curious about our route and where we were headed.
Personally, my wife and I would not wear matching jerseys of any kind, even in the US. I don't like purple, and she is too independent. It is the same reason we don't ride a tandem.
We tried a tandem once but couldn't get the hang of it.
-A lot of native European bike tourist wear bike cloths, including lycra shorts.
-We were asked if we were English more than if we were US.
-We greeted people in the language of the country we were in at the time. They may or may not have known what our country of origin was, but may have thought we just had a speech impediment.
-The only Europeans who wore logo jerseys were the club "rodies".
-Most bike tourists did not wear logo jerseys, if they wore one at all.
-European bike tourists wear helmets.
-Because of our Ortlieb panniers many people asked if we were German when they approached us.
- Most people really did not care what country we were from, but were curious about our route and where we were headed.
Personally, my wife and I would not wear matching jerseys of any kind, even in the US. I don't like purple, and she is too independent. It is the same reason we don't ride a tandem.
We tried a tandem once but couldn't get the hang of it.
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Less USA more tourist but it gets the point across in Texas.
In the UK no one thought I was from the US for some odd reason. I could have been the S. Africa flag jersey I picked up in Randburg. :-)
In the UK no one thought I was from the US for some odd reason. I could have been the S. Africa flag jersey I picked up in Randburg. :-)
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On the bike, we prize safety above all else. So I think we'll buy a couple of visible solid color jerseys that don't look too hard to keep looking decent, like these:
and change into our low-key tops for socializing.
We always run lights front and back, but I understand blinkies are illegal in Europe so we'll have to run continuous.
and change into our low-key tops for socializing.
We always run lights front and back, but I understand blinkies are illegal in Europe so we'll have to run continuous.
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We'll be taking our tandem on a tour in the Czech Republic this summer. I'm thinking it would be nice to buy matching USA cycling jerseys for the trip. Any problem publicly self-identifying as being from the States these days? Last time I toured Europe was during the VN war. People were sewing maple leaves on the their packs back then.
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On the bike, we prize safety above all else. So I think we'll buy a couple of visible solid color jerseys that don't look too hard to keep looking decent, like these:
and change into our low-key tops for socializing.
We always run lights front and back, but I understand blinkies are illegal in Europe so we'll have to run continuous.
and change into our low-key tops for socializing.
We always run lights front and back, but I understand blinkies are illegal in Europe so we'll have to run continuous.
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Hahaha, this thread is full of the LULZ
Very rarely do you see hi-viz gear, or matching team jerseys (unless actual racers) in Europe. It's not the american theme that will make you look ridiculous, it's the fact that you will be dressed like an outsider, weirdos even. Amost every single bike tourist i had the pleasure of meeting in Europe was wearing plain shorts/normal clothes.
Very rarely do you see hi-viz gear, or matching team jerseys (unless actual racers) in Europe. It's not the american theme that will make you look ridiculous, it's the fact that you will be dressed like an outsider, weirdos even. Amost every single bike tourist i had the pleasure of meeting in Europe was wearing plain shorts/normal clothes.
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