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Old 06-02-12, 02:29 PM
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USA cycling jersey in Europe?

We'll be taking our tandem on a tour in the Czech Republic this summer. I'm thinking it would be nice to buy matching USA cycling jerseys for the trip. Any problem publicly self-identifying as being from the States these days? Last time I toured Europe was during the VN war. People were sewing maple leaves on the their packs back then.
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Old 06-02-12, 02:32 PM
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You'll probably get shot when you wear a USA cycling jersey, but not in any vital parts. Vital for cycling, I mean.
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Old 06-02-12, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
Any problem publicly self-identifying as being from the States these days?
I love that you think you will not be recognized immediately as an American by any native from at least forty paces anyway.
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Old 06-02-12, 03:00 PM
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I love that you think you will not be recognized immediately as an American by any native from at least forty paces anyway.
If the shoe fits! You know just as well as I that few people are as recognizable as the tall, blond Dutch, always with that characteristic happy and oblivious look in their eyes.

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Originally Posted by Jonathandavid View Post
If the shoe fits! You know just as well as I that few people are as recognizable as the tall, blond Dutch, always with that characteristic happy and oblivious look in their eyes.
And those wooden cycling shoes...
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Old 06-02-12, 04:13 PM
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Biggest problem with dressing like a rich tourist is thieves. There is very little anti-American political sentiment in Europe now days.
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You'll be OK with a USA Cycling jersey, but DO NOT wear one with this logo or you'll be run over as soon as you leave the train station (if you make it that far).

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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
We'll be taking our tandem on a tour in the Czech Republic this summer. I'm thinking it would be nice to buy matching USA cycling jerseys for the trip. Any problem publicly self-identifying as being from the States these days? Last time I toured Europe was during the VN war. People were sewing maple leaves on the their packs back then.

For a cycling tour, I wouldn't wear a logo jersey at all. I'm not that keen on attracting attention to myself like that. I like to be able to go into a cafe at lunch, and look relatively normal.

If I bring a jersey on a tour, it's a plain one. And after discovering wicking T-shirts in the Decathlon in France, I like them better than jerseys because they look like a normal top. I can wear them on the bicycle, or off.

Rowan and I will be setting off on a tour soon, and I've been debating about bringing jerseys or not ... and I think I've decided that I will not bring any jerseys on this tour. I've got several plain wicking T-shirts which should work well instead.


(When I have taken logo jerseys, it's been because I've been doing an event like the Paris-Brest-Paris at some point during the tour.)
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Old 06-02-12, 11:25 PM
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For a cycling tour, I wouldn't wear a logo jersey at all. I'm not that keen on attracting attention to myself like that. I like to be able to go into a cafe at lunch, and look relatively normal.

If I bring a jersey on a tour, it's a plain one. And after discovering wicking T-shirts in the Decathlon in France, I like them better than jerseys because they look like a normal top. I can wear them on the bicycle, or off.

Rowan and I will be setting off on a tour soon, and I've been debating about bringing jerseys or not ... and I think I've decided that I will not bring any jerseys on this tour. I've got several plain wicking T-shirts which should work well instead.


(When I have taken logo jerseys, it's been because I've been doing an event like the Paris-Brest-Paris at some point during the tour.)
Yes, I've been thinking like that, too, but then no pockets. I do a lot of pocket abuse, especially touring because I use a tiny bar bag and the panniers are a PITA to get into. I suppose one could use a smallish fanny pack. We also have good plain T-shirts and super quick dry nylon long sleeve shirts.
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Old 06-02-12, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
Yes, I've been thinking like that, too, but then no pockets. I do a lot of pocket abuse, especially touring because I use a tiny bar bag and the panniers are a PITA to get into. I suppose one could use a smallish fanny pack. We also have good plain T-shirts and super quick dry nylon long sleeve shirts.
I have used a fanny pack on some of my tours, and that works well. I also use a bento bag for small things like some cookies or tissues.
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Carbonfiberboy, while in general I agree with Machka that it's better not to announce "I'm a foreigner" all the time, i don't think that particularly US jersey will cause you any problems. First, your foreign origin will be recognized immediately anyway and second, some parts of CR are flooded by German cyclotourists, people might find it interesting to have tourists who traveled a really long distance to get there.

I doubt that it will cause you any additional problems anywhere in Europe.
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Old 06-03-12, 04:27 AM
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I don't think it would be smart to advertise that you're from America at this point in time. I've read on a number of forums of foreigners disliking Americans. (when in actuality they should be mad simply at the political powers involved.) I would say just play it safe, and wear a neutral jersey if you need to wear one and if you are asked where you are from say you are from Canada.

If you meet any interesting people throughout your trip, let them know the truth maybe after getting to know them better. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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Originally Posted by ukoro View Post
if you need to wear one and if you are asked where you are from say you are from Canada.
Please don't.

If you're American, please don't try to tell people you're from Canada. If someone asks, tell them you're American ... they'll probably have guessed it by the time they ask you anyway.
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I don't think it would be smart to advertise that you're from America at this point in time. I've read on a number of forums of foreigners disliking Americans. (when in actuality they should be mad simply at the political powers involved.) I would say just play it safe, and wear a neutral jersey if you need to wear one and if you are asked where you are from say you are from Canada.

If you meet any interesting people throughout your trip, let them know the truth maybe after getting to know them better. It's better to be safe than sorry.
And Americans dislike a lot of foreigners. It's a two-way street. And of course, forums that haven't been linked sure are full of useful information for a cycling tourist.

Plus saying you're Canadian when you're not seems like a coward's tactic.

Carbonfibreboy, wear your USA jersey if you want. It probably won't have any effect, but be prepared to buy a plain jersey along the way if you sense negativity because of it.
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Living in France " Profond" in the deep countryside, I have found the locals to be anti American,which is surprising since they were saved twice by the Yanks and the allies
just my 5 cents
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
I'm thinking it would be nice to buy matching USA cycling jerseys for the trip.
Personally I see this as an idea that serves no purpose. IMO when traveling, the best way to go is low-key and friendly.
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Old 06-03-12, 06:15 AM
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when traveling outside of my home area, i like plain unmarked jerseys. several makers offer them, like the aerotech brand as they come in tall sizes and are made in the usa.
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Personally I see this as an idea that serves no purpose. IMO when traveling, the best way to go is low-key and friendly.
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Worth repeating ... low-key and friendly.

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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
Yes, I've been thinking like that, too, but then no pockets. I do a lot of pocket abuse, especially touring because I use a tiny bar bag and the panniers are a PITA to get into. I suppose one could use a smallish fanny pack. We also have good plain T-shirts and super quick dry nylon long sleeve shirts.

Here's a jersey that looks like a normal shirt, but has the rear pockets ...
https://www.rei.com/product/832704/cl...ke-jersey-mens


And if it were me, I might go with something like these ...
https://www.rei.com/product/827889/th...-jersey-womens
https://www.rei.com/product/829797/te...-jersey-womens
https://www.rei.com/product/832730/cl...-jersey-womens
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Worth repeating ... low-key and friendly.
I agree, but personally I want to be recognized as a cyclist, so for me low key means plain jerseys and bike shorts and or tights in the places I have toured. My touring has been in the US only so far, but I don't see why I wouldn't do the same in europe.

Also remember that friendly means being open and showing a genuine smile, not being pushy. BTW, one thing that folks seem to either not know or forget is that wearing dark glasses when you speak to folks is often seen as off putting and rude. Take off the shades and make eye contact, it makes a big difference.
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You may not know that a town near Plzen has a huge statue of General Patton, who liberated the city. It was going to be in Plzen, but at the last minute it was revealed that the sculptor had been an agent of the communist secret police. There are streets throughout the American-liberated section named "Americky." Their only beef with us is that we stopped (by agreement) and allowed the Soviets to "liberate" most of the country, quite bloodily, and then take over.

Thanks for the jersey suggestions, Machka. They look excellent. Back in the day, the Army taught me to speak Czech, but I was forbidden to go there. I could see the Soviet tanks during the invasion from my vantage point in Germany. So this trip has been a long time coming. Best beer in the world, for sure.
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I'd even change my jersey when my Olympic event was over..

As a Viet War era Vet, I often found myself having no argument
with critics, when in discussions of US overreach..

Another in the .. 99% ..
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"I'm thinking it would be nice to buy matching USA cycling jerseys for the trip"

How so? Why would you want to do that, and what do you think it says to others? US is known for being insular, and not well up on other countries, and jingoistically patriotic. Americans have also killed well over 30 million people around the world since the Philippines. Are stationed in over 100 countries where they normally create huge environmental messes then if they leave at all, they fail to clean up.

If you take the French reference above, in the first instance they seem to think they deserve credit for showing up 3 years late and taking total casualties in the war not that far off the worst 1 day casualties the French and British took.

Every country has it's baggage, the US is a great country, but not everyone you meet will feel the same about it as you do. Matching team jerseys sends the wrong message. It beats arriving in tanks, but if you are a cyclists, ride a tandem, and appear to be open to local experiences you get a huge amount of credit in the bank. People love it when others show an interest in their country. People love the idea that people from the US want to come to their little backwater, because they have all though of living the high life in LA, or NY, and have probably watched US movies, listened to music, in a way that is not really replicatable if your thoughts about Czechoslovakia. If you wear US jerseys you will offend some people, and possibly meet less interesting people overall.

It is all about the impression you make. The first few paragraphs here presumably make a bad impression, and the third probably works better, but many people may not have made it that far since first impressions count.
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Now I have only traveled in a few countries in Western Europe so I can't speak to the Eastern countries of Europe but it has been my experience that Europeans absolutely love Americans. And perhaps a special node goes out to touring cyclists, maybe because they are at least perceived as the working class set.

But most Europeans don't seem to be too keen on the US as a government. I think that most Europeans can separate government from it's people.
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in a way that is not really replicatable if your thoughts about Czechoslovakia. If you wear US jerseys you will offend some people, and possibly meet less interesting people overall.
It is NOT Czechoslovakia it is the Czech Republic where they speak Czech and not Czechoslovakian. Many Czech's are very adamant about this and a mistake many American's make, not understanding the culute.
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