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Old 06-11-12, 07:32 PM
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Can someone out there give an example of how a sag vehicle works on a tour?
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Originally Posted by teachme
Can someone out there give an example of how a sag vehicle works on a tour?
I don't think there is just one recipe here. Tell us about your tour and what prompted the question. Who are you thinking of driving the SAG?

There can be a variety of ways to do this but let me give you some examples I've seen used:

- We organized some "three day rides" with local cycle club including "SAG" support - in part as a way to have local weekend riding club also have people try mini-touring. Some of the years a family member/friend of a participant was interested in joining the trip but not wanting to bicycle. So they would drive the SAG. In this case, we did some leapfrogging approach where cyclists would start ahead and cycle for reasonable distance. The driver would stay behind and then catch up with folks a few times a day. The SAG driver would know this was what they were doing so would plan on knitting, bird watching, etc.
- Some years in our three day ride, there wasn't necessarily someone interested in SAG driver all the time, so we alternated it. In this case, we would divide up the day into 3 or 4 ~20 mile segments. The SAG would stay back and we'd then meet up a pre-arranged points.
- On larger more organized state rides such as "Ride the Rockies" (e.g. 2000 riders), there was a more organized set of volunteers including SAG drivers patrolling the route and on lookout for cyclists in trouble or not able to complete for some reason. A little more formal to keep track of who is SAG riding as well.

There can be other variations including someone taking the gear to end destination but not necessarily watching for participants or driving after them. Instead gear is carried but everyone regroups at end of day at camp site and end destination. There can be other variations as well...

So what prompted your question and what variation are you trying to make?
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Originally Posted by mev
So what prompted your question and what variation are you trying to make?
+1

And are you asking from the perspective of the organiser, the driver, or the ride participant?
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Most of the sagged riders we met had a spouse driving a vehicle unless they were commercial tours. They typically left later in the morning, and swung by with lunch or second breakfast, then went ahead to the day's destination. They typically did any shopping or laundry at that point. It didn't seem like as much fun for the rider and it seemed like a real drag for the driver as a few of them told me.

We had sag support for a few days on the TA and basically were picked up at the end to the day, driven to our hosts house, and driven back to where we were picked up in the morning. It was nice as a change and because the folks we stayed with were great, but I don't feel that we saw the country or the people the same way in that part of the tour.

I think that a motor vehicle greatly changes the character of the tour in many ways. Most of those changes are negatives for me unless it is just a break of a few days on a longer tour. Things like hanging out in camp with other cyclists at a hiker biker site and getting offers to stay with hosts will be way less frequent. Also the feeling of going across the terrain independently by bicycle will be greatly reduced IMO. Everyone is different, but please do consider the impacts of sag when deciding.
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Originally Posted by teachme
Can someone out there give an example of how a sag vehicle works on a tour?
It works by placing your bike ontop of the bike rack and then you on the passenger seat. Then later, you can claim you cycled the distance without working a sweat!
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Thanks to all for the responses... To clarify my request; I am interested in doing a mini tour. I would be riding my bike and my wife would be driving sag. This trip is still at least one year away from coming to fruition, but I figure I want to be well prepared with a good plan.
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Have you discussed with your wife?

I tour a fair bit and have met my wife in various locations. However we like to ride together so we do more hub and spoke tours based from a B&B or strategically place hotel.

I suppose if she is on board with it you can leave out early and have scheduled check points along the way.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Have you discussed with your wife?

I tour a fair bit and have met my wife in various locations. However we like to ride together so we do more hub and spoke tours based from a B&B or strategically place hotel.

I suppose if she is on board with it you can leave out early and have scheduled check points along the way.

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Thats interesting! We like to ride together. What is a hub and spoke tour?
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Originally Posted by teachme
Thanks to all for the responses... To clarify my request; I am interested in doing a mini tour. I would be riding my bike and my wife would be driving sag. This trip is still at least one year away from coming to fruition, but I figure I want to be well prepared with a good plan.
Do you want to still be married after the tour? Figure a way she can ride with you or have her stay at home. Don't put her through the boring torture, unless you can figure a way to ride in an area where there is lots for her to see and do while she is waiting. The PCH comes to mind. I don't think I would mind awful much if I had to camp out at a parking lot and stare at the ocean for a few hours.
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Originally Posted by teachme
Thats interesting! We like to ride together. What is a hub and spoke tour?
Pick a base and spend your nights there, do day tours out and back to a different location each day. My wife is nowhere near as strong or dedicated rider as I am, so we do several trips a year based on her abilities and likes (antiques and old towns). I typically do several S24O's (sub 24 hour overnights) a year and at least one multi day tour by myself. Quite often the multi day tour will lead me to a place where I can meet my bride and then we will do a couple of days of her style of touring.

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I recently rode from Nashville to New Orleans. It was supposed be a self supported tour but my wife didn't want me going off by myself so she insisted on driving sag. We would agree to meet at some point doing the day around 1/3 to 1/2 of the day's distance. Sometimes we would meet again and sometimes she would go do something on her own and meet me at the B&B or hotel at the end of my ride (I had planned a credit card tour to minimize weight and maximize daily distance since I had limited time). It worked out fine for me but the sag driver will have lots of down time waiting. My wife would go for a jog or do some sightseeing or just reading. It did change the character of the trip for me but it kept my wife happy and that was more important.

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Originally Posted by teachme
Thats interesting! We like to ride together. What is a hub and spoke tour?
Like wahoonc says ... you pick a central location in the area you want to tour (the hub) and then you cycle out in different directions each day (the spokes), and return to the hub at night.

If you've got an extended holiday time, you can do several of these ... spend 3 or 4 days in one location, drive to the next "hub" and spend 3 or 4 days there, drive to the next "hub" and spend 3 or 4 days there, etc..


Your wife can explore the area in her own way ... checking out the shops, driving around, maybe even doing a bit of cycling with you because with a hub-and-spoke style tour, you don't have to carry panniers and all that, you know where you're going to sleep that night, and you can make your ride as long or as short as you want.

During my 3 years in Victoria (Australia), Rowan and I have done heaps of long weekend hub-and-spoke tours. They're a great way to get away for the weekend, and to get to know different parts of your state/province. We've spent time at the beach, in the mountains, in the "prairies" ... all over. We've done them on our own, just cycling here and there as the whim takes us, and we've done them as a part of events. We'll ride a 200K randonnee, or up a mountain as a part of a climbing challenge one day, and then cycle a shorter and more relaxed route the next day. They also allow you the freedom to do things like visiting the chocolate factory in the area, checking out museums, going boogie boarding in the ocean.

And this past Christmas, we did a combo tour ... we booked a "hub" for a week, and spent a few days cycling here and there and spending time at the ocean. Then we did an overnight out-and-back tour from the "hub", just for something different. And then finished the week with some more hub-and-spoke stuff. That might also be an option for you.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Pick a base and spend your nights there, do day tours out and back to a different location each day. My wife is nowhere near as strong or dedicated rider as I am, so we do several trips a year based on her abilities and likes (antiques and old towns). I typically do several S24O's (sub 24 hour overnights) a year and at least one multi day tour by myself. Quite often the multi day tour will lead me to a place where I can meet my bride and then we will do a couple of days of her style of touring.

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Not exactly a tour, but given that OP is in Texas and we're talking a hub and spoke approach, I'll also give a pointer to the Texas Hell Week series: https://www.hellweek.com/texas.html This week long event is held in Fredricksburg, TX each March and last year there were 380 participants. Riders make their own accommodations and for each of the eight days there is a designated "A" ride (~100 miles), "B" ride (~75 miles) and "C" ride (~50 miles) though riders will also make plenty of their own variations as well.

From a hub and spoke perspective, it is a good chance to explore the Texas Hill country (with 350 new friends ) and do rides in many different directions. As places go, Fredricksburg is also a fun place to explore around if weather or other reasons say lets not ride so much today. I've done Texas Hell Week twice (and Gator Country Hell week twice but that is a different concept closer to the "SAG" approach that started this string) and it is well run and I enjoyed both.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker
Do you want to still be married after the tour? Figure a way she can ride with you or have her stay at home. Don't put her through the boring torture, unless you can figure a way to ride in an area where there is lots for her to see and do while she is waiting.
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We met a few sagged riders and it really seemed like a drag for the drivers and some of them complained pretty bitterly. Maybe not so bad if it is a very short tour. As Spinnaker said maybe if the locale is conducive to there being plenty to interest the driver, but even the pacific coast has some long empty stretches where she would be hanging out in some tiny town with not much to do.

Then there is the rider... touring is just not the same when you involve a motor vehicle. It sucks much of the joy out of a tour.

I too recommend either riding with your wife or leaving her home and riding alone.
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Im quite impressed, a title like that and not one joke about Viagra.

and to (perhaps) redeem myself a tad, this does remind me of canoe trips along rivers I did with my family and a canoe club when I was younger-its common to do a shuttle thing with two cars. So if others were interested in biking, you can leave a car at the "end" of a short bike trip, going with two drivers and two cars, then with the remaining car returning to the start point. As one hour in car (or less is shorter distances or hills) generally is a days bike ride, its possible to plan out not much more than 2 hrs car time for a pt to pt bike trip. Or of course, a loop would take care of that. This would of course mean having to carry clothes and stuff for sleeping at motels or whatnot, which might not be what you have in mind. Then perhaps planning day trips from a given hotel/motel would solve that.

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