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Old 06-19-12, 02:45 PM
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36 spoke 130mm spacing wheel anyone?

Hi.

I have a 2004 Fuji Touring and the back wheel has just about had it (many broken spokes and much truing in the past two years), so I'd like to get a new one and I'd prefer to buy one already built because I don't have a lot to spend on buying the parts separately and having one built at my LBS. The problem I'm having is that everything that seems appropriate (Mavic A319/719, Velocity Dyad, etc.) is only available in 135mm spacing with 36 spokes. Handspun appears to assemble quite a few potential products, but all with 135mm hubs. Despite being a touring bicycle, the rear spacing on my Fuji is 130mm.

I'd also rather not cold set my rear triangle to 135mm.

Does anyone know of any sub-$200 pre-built wheels with 36 spokes and 130mm spacing?

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Originally Posted by belectric
Hi.

I have a 2004 Fuji Touring and the back wheel has just about had it (many broken spokes and much truing in the past two years), so I'd like to get a new one and I'd prefer to buy one already built because I don't have a lot to spend on buying the parts separately and having one built at my LBS. The problem I'm having is that everything that seems appropriate (Mavic A319/719, Velocity Dyad, etc.) is only available in 135mm spacing with 36 spokes. Handspun appears to assemble quite a few potential products, but all with 135mm hubs. Despite being a touring bicycle, the rear spacing on my Fuji is 130mm.

I'd also rather not cold set my rear triangle to 135mm.

Does anyone know of any sub-$200 pre-built wheels with 36 spokes and 130mm spacing?

- Thanks
Have you measured the rear dropout or are you just going by the hub that is in there now? Lots of touring bikes come in a 132.5 OLD so that they can be fitted with both 135mm hubs and 130mm hubs. My daughters 1999 Fuji touring is currently using a 135mm wheel that was originally from my Cannondale touring bike. If it is 132.5, no cold setting is needed. Even my Cannondale...an aluminum bike...has a 132.5 OLD.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Have you measured the rear dropout...
Absolutely, start here.

If it is 132.5 OLD, then pick a 135mm hubbed wheel for greater longevity.

Here's some 135mm/36h:

https://aebike.com/product/handspun-p...e5572-qc30.htm

https://aebike.com/product/handspun-p...e7097-qc30.htm
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Is it steel? If so you can put a 135mm hub in just by spreading it without much risk.
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What kind of shape is the rear hub in? I routinely reuse a hub unless there is some reason not to. I have one hub that is on it's fourth rim. Lacing a rim to a hub isn't that hard, then you can have the shop finish up the truing on it for you.

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Have you considered spending some quality time with a rim, a hub, a bunch of spokes and some nipples?
https://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

I do not have a truing stand, I true up my wheels in the frame. I admit that it is a lot easier to build a front wheel that is not dished than a rear, but taking on a rear for a first time project is not too unreasonable. But, you have to be patient. Although I have built a lot of wheels, I still budget at least 3 hours per wheel. For a first time project, multiply that by at least 2 or maybe 3.

I buy spokes at a local bike shop, I ask them to measure the rim and hub and calculate the spoke lengths that I need. Spoke prices vary greatly at local bike shops, you have to shop around for a good price on spokes.
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You might want to remove the tire and cluster and take wire cutters and cut the spokes and take the hub to someone who can rebuild it the way you want.
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Universal Cycles can build you a 36H Dyad with 130 spacing. I have some 36H Ultegra/Dyad wheels built by my local bike shop, and probably would have ordered from Universal but they didn't have rims in the color I wanted at the time. Their prices are good and they reportedly build great wheels.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
What kind of shape is the rear hub in? I routinely reuse a hub unless there is some reason not to. I have one hub that is on it's fourth rim. Lacing a rim to a hub isn't that hard, then you can have the shop finish up the truing on it for you.
I have done similarly with good results. I typically reuse the spokes and nipples as well. I have always done the tensioning and truing myself. It really isn't very difficult. The Sheldon Brown Reference mentioned by Tourist in MSN is good.

That all may not be an option depending on what is wrong with the existing wheels.
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belectric, While looking for a rear wheel or a wheelset pay attention to the rims used as some may not be wide enough to accomodate a wider tire often seen on tourers.

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Don't over think this, buy the 135 wheel and modify the hub.

You just change the Axle , a 5mm smaller spacer on the left, and dish it a bit more.

most Shimano freehubs all use a 10x1 steel threaded axle ..

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Thanks for all the suggestions! Ideally I would take this opportunity to learn to build wheels - I've been wanting to for a while and I'm sure I could, but I don't have the time. The hub is a bit damaged, or I would re-use that part. As far as modifying a 135mm hub—same deal with re-dishing: I don't know what I'm doing and don't have the time. It is definitely 130mm and I'm not interested in cold setting the frame or having to muscle the dropouts whenever I put the wheel in. I think I'm probably going to do what I should have just stuck with from the beginning and have my LBS build a lower-cost wheel with either the Salsa Delgado or Sun CR-18 rim and Tiagra hubs.

Thanks again!
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Peter White is a great suggestion. He just built me a 130, 700c, Dyad, White industries hub, rear wheel. Cost is dependent on what parts you want. He only charges $35.00 to build the wheel. I think he is the best wheel builder out there. At least for the traditional stuff.
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https://www.universalcycles.com/wheelkit_new.php

Universal Cycles in Portland will build you a set of wheels--Tiagra 36h hubs, Wheelsmith butted spokes, and Mavic A319 Rim for $227 plus postage.

Use the Mavic A119 rim and it will be about about $190 plus postage ($36) for the set.

With Dyad rims the price is about the same as the Mavic A319. However, the 36 hole rims go fast, and the Dyads are hardly ever available in black. With Dyad rims be sure to specify machined braking surface.

I have two sets of their wheels, and just ordered another set today. They do excellent work, and are great folks to deal with. Their "Custom Wheel Builder" kit prices are really good. You can't buy the components separately for the price they charge for the complete wheels. My wife and I have toured many miles on Tiagra hubs and A119 rims (not on the same wheels) without any problems.

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I don't know what I'm doing and don't have the time.
jeez! hire the bike shop to do it for you. aint rocket science
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Originally Posted by belectric
Thanks for all the suggestions! Ideally I would take this opportunity to learn to build wheels - I've been wanting to for a while and I'm sure I could, but I don't have the time. The hub is a bit damaged, or I would re-use that part. As far as modifying a 135mm hub—same deal with re-dishing: I don't know what I'm doing and don't have the time. It is definitely 130mm and I'm not interested in cold setting the frame or having to muscle the dropouts whenever I put the wheel in. I think I'm probably going to do what I should have just stuck with from the beginning and have my LBS build a lower-cost wheel with either the Salsa Delgado or Sun CR-18 rim and Tiagra hubs.

Thanks again!
Shimano Tiagra 130mm 4600 Hubs 36 Hole Mavic CXP22 set for $145 delivered. Have them retensioned by your LBS before using them on an overnight tour.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Shimano-...ht_4267wt_1031
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Originally Posted by seeker333
Absolutely, start here.

If it is 132.5 OLD, then pick a 135mm hubbed wheel for greater longevity.

Here's some 135mm/36h:

https://aebike.com/product/handspun-p...e5572-qc30.htm

https://aebike.com/product/handspun-p...e7097-qc30.htm
AEBike is local for me, I highly recommend their custom service on their website. I've had a couple, no three, wheelsets built by them and really like them all. I recently had a set made with shimano 105 hubs (130mm) laced to CR18 (city proof) rims and think they are great. The nice thing about the custom service is that you can hand pick the parts right from the online QBP link and get exactly what you want.

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The problem with breaking spokes was probably due to the spokes not being tensioned correctly. If your hub were in okay shape I am pretty sure you could just have all the spokes replaced and have the wheel tensioned right and you'd be fine. Replacing them one at a time is not the same thing; you have to start over with new ones. But if as you say the hub is damaged anyway, then maybe a new wheel makes sense.

But I don't understand the problem. You say you don't have time to learn to build, true, tension, maintain the wheel yourself. I can relate. But this is the touring forum. Do you have time to tour? If you have time to tour, well, trust me: you have time to maintain your bike. Otherwise you will be spending a lot of time hitching rides with minor mechanical problems on on your bike.
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