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Old 12-01-12, 03:07 AM
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I applaud your commitment to the new bike, however, I still want to see how it holds up against handmade semi-mass-produced touring bikes. So, please post updates once you start riding it. Just for my own personal edification.

Also, as far as kickstands go. It appears that you have two viable options.

The first would be to employ front and rear Tubus racks, each with it's own kickstand, as per this video (also, the AXA ring lock is shown):


The second would be to employ a dual-legged kickstand near the bottom bracket.

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Old 12-01-12, 03:22 AM
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Acid:

No problem. Will update as we go along.

Will be going with the klickstand.
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Old 12-01-12, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by chefisaac View Post
Acid:

No problem. Will update as we go along.

Will be going with the klickstand.
I hope that last message didn't sound snobbish (my English is going to crap while living over here).

I'm actually quite curious because I'd like to invest in nice touring/trekking/expedition bike after getting a year or two back in the saddle and I want to see how the US custom bikes really hold up as there aren't many long-term reviews out there. Or if they exist, I haven't found them.
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Old 12-01-12, 09:00 AM
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Congrats on taking the plunge! I live just outside NE Philly and have had Bilenky do a few small additions to my single bike and tandems, including rear rack braze-ons and custom kickstand plates. They do nice work. I'd seriously suggest having them add a kickstand plate behind the BB on the chainstays that will accept a single or dual-legged kickstand. Even if you don't want one now, it will be nice to have the option down the road.

I know you are pretty firm on not having S&S, but I'll add my voice to those saying "do it now!" Retrofitting will be more expensive and will require either a touch up or full repaint, adding even more cost. It's not an insignificant cost to have them added during the build, but a lot cheaper and less intrusive than having them added in the future. I have several S&S bikes, and there is absolutely no downside to having them, apart from the cost and the marginal weight increase. Even if you are only looking to do tours in the mid-Atlantic area, they add a lot of flexibility, allowing you to take your bike on a variety of AMTRAK trains where normally bikes would not be welcome (e.g., some stops along the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O route). I took my Co-Motion S&S on a tour along the C&O canal, and it was great to be able to take it apart, put it in a bag, and hop on an AMTRAK regional train from DC back to Philly.

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Old 12-01-12, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by briwasson View Post
Congrats on taking the plunge! I live just outside NE Philly and have had Bilenky do a few small additions to my single bike and tandems, including rear rack braze-ons and custom kickstand plates. They do nice work. I'd seriously suggest having them add a kickstand plate behind the BB on the chainstays that will accept a single or dual-legged kickstand. Even if you don't want one now, it will be nice to have the option down the road.

I know you are pretty firm on not having S&S, but I'll add my voice to those saying "do it now!" Retrofitting will be more expensive and will require either a touch up or full repaint, adding even more cost. It's not an insignificant cost to have them added during the build, but a lot cheaper and less intrusive than having them added in the future. I have several S&S bikes, and there is absolutely no downside to having them, apart from the cost and the marginal weight increase. Even if you are only looking to do tours in the mid-Atlantic area, they add a lot of flexibility, allowing you to take your bike on a variety of AMTRAK trains where normally bikes would not be welcome (e.g., some stops along the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O route). I took my Co-Motion S&S on a tour along the C&O canal, and it was great to be able to take it apart, put it in a bag, and hop on an AMTRAK regional train from DC back to Philly.
Interesting thoughts, especially on the couplings. The only thing I worry about is that I know, from experience, that where things connect are at their weakest. I used to build fly rods and fly fish.... pretty much all my life, and knots are the weakest where the connect and also the fly rods are weakest where the section connect.

Have any videos on how easy the bikes are to take apart and put back together?
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I also had reservations about the S&S couplers. The builder assured me about the process involved and how they are virtually impossible to come apart or break under stress. Those couplers are super strong - far from becoming the weakest links in the frame.

Once wheels are removed, breaking apart the frame into two pieces only takes a minute with the special wrench that comes in the kit. Brake and derailleur cables also get easily separated with some special splitters they also install. This is all it takes for an "express" disassembly which many people use in a pinch for trains or coach bus trips (using a compact bike bag) or visiting Europe where rental cars or taxis are generally miniscule. The full disassembly (putting everything into the special soft or hard case for flying under the max 62" linear inches) is more involved. That process takes about ~2 hours (longer the first time) as you remove the fork, crankset and every single piece gets wrapped in a protective velcro fabric. You develop a method, so those who do it often disassemble or put together their bikes in less than one hour. It becomes easier and easier with repetition. I have already flown with my S&S-coupled bicycle a couple of times without a single scratch to anything inside. It's important to mention that I did it all alone. And I'm VERY little mechanically inclined, btw! You really marvel at the ingenuity.

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Originally Posted by Chris Pringle View Post
I also had reservations about the S&S couplers. The builder assured me about the process involved and how they are virtually impossible to come apart or break under stress. Those couplers are super strong - far from becoming the weakest links in the frame.
Yes, the S & S company's licensed frame builders show a lot of top-notch builders who wouldn't install the couplers unless they were reliable.
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Old 12-04-12, 08:32 AM
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You're going to love it. Seeing as how you're going for it—get the paint you want. It's a wunnerful thing.
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It would be silly to use a DB frame tube and cut that section out for the coupler installation.

Then a straight gage tube would be better.. so original build S&S fitting would take that into consideration.


the cable disconnects are another part to plan in ahead of time. so frame stops
are located in consideration of that ..
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Originally Posted by chefisaac View Post
Interesting thoughts, especially on the couplings. The only thing I worry about is that I know, from experience, that where things connect are at their weakest. I used to build fly rods and fly fish.... pretty much all my life, and knots are the weakest where the connect and also the fly rods are weakest where the section connect.

Have any videos on how easy the bikes are to take apart and put back together?
Most studies of the couplers show that the tubing is actually stronger with the couplers than without. They are used extensively on tandem (and longer) bikes, which require much stronger tubes than most singles, and they work fine. My Santana triplet, which I spent two weeks doing loaded touring on this summer with my family, was easily 550-600 pounds rolling weight and amazingly stiff.

Ask Bilenky to show you an S&S bike and how easy it is to take apart. The couplings themselves can be undone with the spanner wrench in less than a minute. Actually packing up for airline travel can take as little as 15 minutes to an hour or so, depending on your skill. I can do my single in ~20 minutes, my tandem and triplet take about an hour.

Here's our S&S Santana Cabrio triplet from this summer, in Austria.
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I can see couplers on a tandem, etc., particularly if you're flying to another country. For a single? Just to have them--"just in case," not so much. Why add the weight, complexity and expense? Why sacrifice those sweet butted tubes and ride qualities? Just me.
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I decided not to go with the couplings. It might not look like it but I do have a budget I need to follow. Perhaps in the future I might get them but with the limited time off I get and a strict as he11 wife, traveling somewhere to ride might not be in the plans.
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