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Old 11-29-12, 07:00 AM
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Update on Bilenky Midland

On Monday, I set up a meeting with Bilenky and met with Tom and Stephen. First, we talked about what type of riding I do now, why get into touring, what type of touring, what I liked in both the bikes I have now and what I didnt like. They asked a lot of questions and so did I. After an hour of talking and figuring out of a custom was right for me, I decided it was for many reasons.

I know some will be quick to tell me differently, after the long chat, this is how I felt.

After that we did a complete 2 hour bike fit.

I am excited for this adventure. The bike will be ready in May and within that time, they have planned many short meetings to go over stuff. I was struck by the wonderful customer service and their shop has a lot of character too.

I have planned a short tour in May along with some longer day rides to get used to the bike and the equipment. Almost, wrapping up the planning on a week long tour in June and hopefully another one in October.

I am very excited to get into touring.
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Totally support your decision. I am certain you'll really enjoy your custom Bilenky when it's finished. Bilenky produces exquisite bikes. They do have a pretty long turn-around, but have heard of even much worse waiting lists w/ other builders.

Glad you asked a lot of questions here before meeting them. Would you mind sharing some of highlights for your dream build? e.g., C.S. length, type of steel tubing, getting S&S couplers?, brake type, etc.
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I got to look at some Bilenky bikes firsthand at the NAHBS in Richmond a couple of years ago, and they were really nice. They also had about the nicest exhibit at the show.
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Frame Level Deluxe fillet brazed

Features Oversized tubing
Disc Brake
Pump Peg
26” wheels
Schmidt dyno hub
Front and rear racks
3 H20 Bosses
Seat Tube bilaminate/ Reinforcement
Top tube and down tube bilam at headtube
E - werks charging system

Brakes Detail
Disc Tab Integral to dropout
Split Stops Down tube triple stops, single stops under left chainstay


Gear
Triple stops underneath downtube
Split stop front derailleur behind seat tube above BB Sheel
Split Stop – rear der. Under chainstay 2.75” from DO edge
Split stop Under chainstay 2 " behind BB Shell

Accessories
Pump Peg Head Tube nipple (+ “L” peg if S & S )
Chain Hanger Inside right chainstay
Chainstay Bridge Use chart for 26 x 2.0 w/ fender
Seat Stay Bridge same
H2O Bosses DT top 1set, DT under 1Set , ST 1set
Seat post clamp Pinch bolt mount to bilaminate
Rack eyelets Integral to dropout
Fender Eyelets Integral to dropout
Rack mounts Barrel boss - 16.25" from eyelet

Fork
Fender Eyelets Behind dropout
Rack mount Barrel Boss - back side of blade @ 6.5"
Drill Crown For Supernova head light mount

Item Description Qty. Manufacturer Model Specification

1 Hub Rear 1 White industries Daisy 48 hole, 145mm
2 Hub Front 1 Son 28 classic 40 hole
3 Rear Skewer 1 Shimano LX 36 hole
4 Front Skewer 1 Shimano LX 36 hole
5 Rear Rim 1 Velocity Dyad 48 hole
6 Front Rim 1 Velocity Dyad 40 hole
7 Spokes Wheelsmith DB 14/15
8 Spoke nipples DT Brass
9 Rear Tire 1 Schwalbe Big apple 26 x 2.0
10 Front Tire 1 Schwalbe Big apple 26 x 2.0
11 Tubes 2 Quality Presta 26 x 2
12 Rim Strip 2 Velox Cloth
13 Crank Set 1 Sugino XD 175
14 Chain Rings 1 Sugino 24-36-48
15 Bottom Bracket 1 Shimano un-54 113
16 Pedals 0 Shimano Spd platform/clipless
17 Front Derraileur 1 Shimano Tiagra triple Bottom pull, 28.6 clamp on
18 Rear Derraileur 1 Shimano Deore XT SGS 9spd
19 Shift levers 1 Shimano Ultegra Bar-con 9-speed
20 Shift lever adaptor 0
21 Chain 1 KMC X9.93 9-speed
22 Cassette 1 SRAM PG 951 11 - 36 9spd
23 Calipers 2 Avid BB7 Road Mech
24 Brake levers 1 Sram Road Aero
25 Brake cables 2 Jagwire slick stainless
Inline adjuster 0
26 Head Set 1 FSA Needlbearing 1 1/8"
27 Cablehanger 0 Problem Solver
28 Handlebars 1 Nitto Noodle 48cm
29 Stem Front 1 Ritchey 4 axis 10
30 Tape 1 Cinelli Cork w/ gel pads underneath Black
31 Seatpost binder 1 Sugino Allen key type
32 Seatpost 1 Thomson micro adjust 27.2
33 Saddle 1 Brooks B-17 Special Color
Inbound freight


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34 Rack Tubus Cargo Rear, Tara Front 26"
35 Bottle cages
36 Fenders SKS Longboard
37 Computer
38 Pump
39 Lights Busch and Mueller Lumotec Fly RT
40 Charging system E-Werks w/ cache battery
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Wow, Chef! I don't think you and the Bilenky guys have missed anything. This is truly a dream custom build! In regard to the pump that reads "L peg if S&S couplers", this frame does come with S&S couplers, right? The only thing I would personally do is a 22t for the small chain ring for those steep hills when fully loaded (hopefully this crankset will accept one), although 24t is already very good.
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I'd add 2 braze ons , on the front of the seatstays to mount a ring lock, so it is right there handy
to lock it .. when you are not on it.

so no one can grab it and take off

Abus, and AXA make the locks, .. and a lock up chain to attach the bike to a fixed object.
I got AXA's, + a 1.4M chain that uses the socket opposite the key, to lock into with their pin connection.
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Wow, Chef! I don't think you and the Bilenky guys have missed anything. This is truly a dream custom build! In regard to the pump that reads "L peg if S&S couplers", this frame does come with S&S couplers, right? The only thing I would personally do is a 22t for the small chain ring for those steep hills when fully loaded (hopefully this crankset will accept one), although 24t is already very good.
Chris: Good call outs! No couples on this bike. Thought about it but that would limit the type of material they could use for the frame. Plus to be frank, I do not see taking the bike on a plane anytime soon and it can be added on later if needed.

Thanks for the chain ring heads up. I will bring that up with them.
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I'd add 2 braze ons , on the front of the seatstays to mount a ring lock, so it is right there handy
to lock it .. when you are not on it.

so no one can grab it and take off

Abus, and AXA make the locks, .. and a lock up chain to attach the bike to a fixed object.
I got AXA's, + a 1.4M chain that uses the socket opposite the key, to lock into with their pin connection.
Nice! Thank you.
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This new headlght incorporates 'the Plug' function , rather than needing the additional part..
http://www.bumm.de/produkte/dynamo-s...iq2-luxos.html

and note there is a new hub from Schmidt , the electrical contacts are in the Dropout face,
so no separate wires to hook up when you re-install the wheel.
http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/s...kerlos_en.html

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I am not sure what additional part you are referring to. The e-werks? That is not just for the light. It is for my CPAP so I can recharge it.
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older method was a wire tap off the hub power before the light,
this light just makes a tidier wiring scheme, id expect more robust.
http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/s...kerlos_en.html
shows the dropout integrated power contacts
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AS I recall, the new SON hub does not come in a 40 hole which the OP has spec'd
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Yea might have to stick with the 28 classic.
unless you import the hub direct, custom assembled, thru the Manufacturer.

I looked at PJW's site no 40 hole Disc Schmidt SON, , just 32 and 36 hole.

perhaps a chat with Herr Schmidt's company, in Germany, is in order, then,,

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^^^^
Good point.

Chef: If it comes to having either 36 or even a 32 hole dynohub, you should be OK as you'll be running a smaller 26" wheel. I would just make sure the wheel builder uses double or triple butted spokes. For triple butted, again, not sure if a SON dynohub will support them. Double-butted should be sturdy enough, though. By the way, it would be worth asking if they will be using the latest fork SON "connector-less" dropouts. This will avoid damaging the connector cables when removing the front wheel which could leave you without lights in the middle of your commute/tour. I would be surprised if Bilenky is not already using them or telling their customers about them. It's always good to make sure about these tiny details. This is the time to make changes to your build list. Ah!, and don't forget to confirm ALL changes in writing.

About S&S couplers: I know this is a difficult and hefty expense to make -- a very personal decision. I always thought I would NOT get them. But guess what? I changed my mind the day before they started painting my frame. They also told me I could get them later but it's ultimately much more expensive as it virtually entails repainting the entire frame for a nice finish (not counting being without a bike for weeks.) For me, living in Mexico but traveling often back to the U.S. or going on vacation to other parts of the world, it just made sense. Bike rentals while on vacation pretty much suck. To make matters worse, airlines are every year more and more stringent on bikes flying by charging ridiculous rates, unless you can get them packed under the standard 62 linear inches.
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Good point.

Chef: If it comes to having either 36 or even a 32 hole dynohub, you should be OK as you'll be running a smaller 26" wheel. I would just make sure the wheel builder uses double or triple butted spokes. For triple butted, again, not sure if a SON dynohub will support them. Double-butted should be sturdy enough, though. By the way, it would be worth asking if they will be using the latest fork SON "connector-less" dropouts. This will avoid damaging the connector cables when removing the front wheel which could leave you without lights in the middle of your commute/tour. I would be surprised if Bilenky is not already using them or telling their customers about them. It's always good to make sure about these tiny details. This is the time to make changes to your build list. Ah!, and don't forget to confirm ALL changes in writing.

About S&S couplers: I know this is a difficult and hefty expense to make -- a very personal decision. I always thought I would NOT get them. But guess what? I changed my mind the day before they started painting my frame. They also told me I could get them later but it's ultimately much more expensive as it virtually entails repainting the entire frame for a nice finish (not counting being without a bike for weeks.) For me, living in Mexico but traveling often back to the U.S. or going on vacation to other parts of the world, it just made sense. Bike rentals while on vacation pretty much suck. To make matters worse, airlines are every year more and more stringent on bikes flying by charging ridiculous rates, unless you can get them packed under the standard 62 linear inches.
Chris,

Thanks for the heads up.

For the couplers, I will pass at this. Not the cost I am worried about but more the fact and where things connect, they are at there weakest so for this, I will wait until I need it for sure.
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I have definitely lusted over bilenky bikes! If i hadn't of happened to find a used bruce gordon in my size i would seriously consider getting one myself, subject to availability of funds of course....
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On Monday, I set up a meeting with Bilenky and met with Tom and Stephen. First, we talked about what type of riding I do now, why get into touring, what type of touring, what I liked in both the bikes I have now and what I didnt like. They asked a lot of questions and so did I. After an hour of talking and figuring out of a custom was right for me, I decided it was for many reasons.

I know some will be quick to tell me differently, after the long chat, this is how I felt.

After that we did a complete 2 hour bike fit.

I am excited for this adventure. The bike will be ready in May and within that time, they have planned many short meetings to go over stuff. I was struck by the wonderful customer service and their shop has a lot of character too.

I have planned a short tour in May along with some longer day rides to get used to the bike and the equipment. Almost, wrapping up the planning on a week long tour in June and hopefully another one in October.

I am very excited to get into touring.
The bike sounds *****in' awesome with the discs/wheels/lights/gears etc. I took my Surly Disc Trucker there this summer for S & S couplers & repaint, got there early morning & some guy let me in...next i met the cat & then Stephen who was waking up from his sleeping bag in the office. Bina used her IPhone to confirm the paint color & went back to filing some lugs while another guy arranged more details. LOL. They farm out some powdercoat paint colors but the job looks superb. The job took some time but within promised limits.

Your wheels sound bulletproof, I dig the fat tires too (comfy is best for 50-100 miles/day), disc brakes for all weather etc. My dream bike is Rohloff/Gates but your bike is more sensible with lighter derailleurs & proven chains. Lights are the icing on the cake, I guess the charging system is to give battery-free lighting after night time. Tried a Union generator & a Japanese generator long ago (ran off tires) & they gave decent light (that was way before LEDs) though they crapped out in snow etc. Hub dynos should be the bees' knees.

Not clear about "bilaminate" frame tubes...means butted steel alloy?
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The bike sounds *****in' awesome with the discs/wheels/lights/gears etc. I took my Surly Disc Trucker there this summer for S & S couplers & repaint, got there early morning & some guy let me in...next i met the cat & then Stephen who was waking up from his sleeping bag in the office. Bina used her IPhone to confirm the paint color & went back to filing some lugs while another guy arranged more details. LOL. They farm out some powdercoat paint colors but the job looks superb. The job took some time but within promised limits.

Your wheels sound bulletproof, I dig the fat tires too (comfy is best for 50-100 miles/day), disc brakes for all weather etc. My dream bike is Rohloff/Gates but your bike is more sensible with lighter derailleurs & proven chains. Lights are the icing on the cake, I guess the charging system is to give battery-free lighting after night time. Tried a Union generator & a Japanese generator long ago (ran off tires) & they gave decent light (that was way before LEDs) though they crapped out in snow etc. Hub dynos should be the bees' knees.

Not clear about "bilaminate" frame tubes...means butted steel alloy?
I do hope for a sweet ride!
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I got over/behind Eyelets on my Fork tips I use the top 2 for the rack, back 2, for 2 of the mudguard struts
2nd mudguard strut goes to the mid fork braze on, same bolt that holds the lowrider rack rear upper, on.
bruce gordon low rack

my 2nd hand Koga has Tubus Logo, they have a place to Bolt a V strut on 1 point.. on the rack.

also I didn't see a mention of a Kick stand mount, you going to lay it down in places with out trees?

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Not clear about "bilaminate" frame tubes...means butted steel alloy?
Bilaminate means lugs made out of tubes. Here is a nice looking example: LINK
It's really a fillet brazed bike with reinforcement at the main triangle joints
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I got over/behind Eyelets on my Fork tips I use the top 2 for the rack, back 2, for 2 of the mudguard struts
2nd mudguard strut goes to the mid fork braze on, same bolt that holds the lowrider rack rear upper, on.
bruce gordon low rack

my 2nd hand Koga has Tubus Logo, they have a place to Bolt a V strut on 1 point.. on the rack.

also I didn't see a mention of a Kick stand mount, you going to lay it down in places with out trees?
Good call out on the kick stand. Will be going with a klick stand I believe. Its the one that folds up.
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Will be going with a klick stand I believe. Its the one that folds up.
Love my Klick-Stand! I did have a kickstand plate installed just in case.

The bilaminate stuff looks awesome. This is the kind of stuff that makes Bilenky bikes works of art.
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Love my Klick-Stand! I did have a kickstand plate installed just in case.

The bilaminate stuff looks awesome. This is the kind of stuff that makes Bilenky bikes works of art.
now the hard part..... the color.
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My Koga has 2 Kickstands one under the Front Panniers , part of the rack.

When I built up my One Off Tourer, I was thinking Rear Wheel Stand.
I can camp on a Peat Bog and not have the KS leg sink in.

But push the tent pin in the turf with My Hand. proved useful in Ireland, wet turf was abundant.
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You are going to have one nice touring rig! I love the look of the bilaminate joints. I have never seen that before. Can't wait to see the pictures.
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