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curdog 12-07-12 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Doug64 (Post 15026642)
I know CO-Mo offers an Ultegra package, but full Ultegra is not optimum for touring. The Ultegra front crank is only available in 52/39/30, and with even the Ultegra long cage rear derailleur, it wont handle a rear cassette with a large cog of greater 27 teeth very well. However some folks have managed to use cassettes with a 30 tooth cog. For me, that set up defeats the purpose of using Ultegra gear. I like smooth crisp shifting.

Correction: Co-Motion specs out an Ultegra 11-32 rear cassette.

You can use an 11-34 rear cassette in combination with a Shimano LX or or Deore rear derailleur. It will work very well with Ultegra shifters. Even with the 52/39/30 crankset it provides a little better gearing for touring. One of my wife's road bikes is set up this way, and it works well. Due to a bad knee, she is a spinner not a masher, and the lower gearing works for her. A "trekking" crankset, usually having a 48/36/26 or 24 chainrings will also work well without the chainline issues associated with using a true mountain crankset. While some folks view the square taper bottom bracket as obsolete, it offers a wide range of sizes not found in the external and splined bottom brackets. A good LBS or can put the appropriate bottom bracket and a crank like the Sugino XD 600. While it does not have the bling of Ultegra, it is nicely finished, and more importantly, works well. I have my hill climbing/commuter road bike set up this way.
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...0&category=526

We are lucky enough to live about 45 minutes from the Co-Motion shop. I was in there a lot when they wee building my wife's frame. It is a 47 cm frame which required quite a bit of collaboration and measuring to get things in the right spots to allow me to use mountain bike cranks, and have the derailleur hanger not it the water bottle cage mounts. They are great folks to work with and may be able to help you come up with a lower useful range of gears right from their shop.

This is my commuter/winter bike set up using the same concept. The difference here is that it is an 8 speed, and it has the plain Deore rear derailleur. I also have a 24 tooth chainring that will fit this crank. I actually like riding this bike rather than my "good" road bike. The reason is the combination of fit and gearing.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...etrain-2-1.jpg


I'm wondering if a Cascadia can be built with the Americano drive train and a upgrade to Ultegra shifters. This is a FSA crankset at 48-36-26 with a 10 speed 11-34. Can't hurt to ask.

fietsbob 12-08-12 02:43 AM


What do you mean by this? Sorry but confused.
which part, specifically?

curdog 12-08-12 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 15028431)
which part, specifically?

Hands on the bars

Chris Pringle 12-08-12 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by curdog (Post 15027438)
I'm wondering if a Cascadia can be built with the Americano drive train and a upgrade to Ultegra shifters. This is a FSA crankset at 48-36-26 with a 10 speed 11-34. Can't hurt to ask.

For the kind of money these bikes command, I would not hesitate to ask for certain accommodations. Co-Motion inevitably falls under the category of "high-end custom" bikes. These builders generally use the standard build as a guideline for those who have the bucks for a high-end bike, but don't know much about their exact needs (customization.) For you, however, they should build a bike according to YOUR specs for 100% satisfaction. I can't imagine them not accomodating you. A common scenario is allowing to you ship to them (or maybe they can special order?) the few different components you need on the bike and crediting for the ones you don't use from their standard build. This could apply to things like crankset, cassette and saddle, for example. I bet they will oblige if you ask.

BTW, as far as the FSA crankset, save your money. I believe reading reviews that anything from Shimano (Deore and up) will just perform better.

fietsbob 12-08-12 12:35 PM

by the lever being on the end of the handle bar , you shift while holding on..

one thing about the Bar end levers making them a Touring favorite, is simplicity..
Less to go wrong.. like Downtube levers.. [which you do take a hand off, to shift]

FWIW, Co Motion can build around a Rohloff hub. after 20 years of tours,
I went from a 7x3 derailleur drive train, to there..
they only use a 2 cable Grip Shifter.. there are workarounds for Drop bars..

then crankset matters less , just needs to use 1 chainring..
Lg wheel 39t with the 16t comes std on the hub.

with a 20" wheel , I use the 53t .. Bike Friday is across town from Co-Mo.


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