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Old 04-13-13, 07:00 PM
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Advice needed for summer Europe Tour

Hi guys,
my name is Alan from Toronto, Canada.
This summer i will have 85 days to tour the continent of Europe. This is my first time doing a cross-continent tour so i feel quite ambitious.
I have my routes roughly planned out with Stockholm as my starting point and Lisbon as destination. So following this north to south idea i have planned two routes, first one been 7200 km long and the second one 6000 km. I would like to get some feedback on my routes from you experts:
-Can i make the 7200km ride in 85 days while still being able to spend sometime in major cities?
-in your opinion, which route is better overall?
-any suggestions on route choices that you feel like giving me

Thank you guys for reading and please help out

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Old 04-13-13, 07:27 PM
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Sure, you may be able to ride 50 km a day and have time to visit cities, depending on your conditioning and touring experience. The 7200km route just rubs me the wrong way, going south, north and south again just seems counter-intuitive to me, so I would vote for the 6000km route. If you get in a jam with the distance, or want to spend more time in a city, you can always throw the bike on a train to get to next waypoint. I wish you a great trip. I am sure others will chime in with the specifics of the route, like best places to see, and riding over the Alps, etc.
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Thanks for the thought man, the reason behind the 7200km route is that i get to cover the German Rhine, and the Netherlands along with Belgium. Anyway, might just be too ambitious
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We haven't done much on the 6000 km route, but we have done a portion of your longer route ... specifically, the Rhine route from the Netherlands to St Goar, and also parts in Switzerland ...
https://www.machka.net/RTW_2012/RTW_Europe_Main_2012.htm

But here's a suggestion ... both routes start the same, right? Why not start and see how you feel? When you get to the point where you'd either go north or go west, decide what you want to do then.

And remember, there are always trains!
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Great Rivers .. Rotterdam, NL, up the Rhein. , the headwaters are close together, in the German-Swiss border,
then down river to the delta of the Danube in Romania on the Black sea?
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Advice needed for summer Europe Tour

The 6000 km would make sense to me, depends on how many 100+ days and rest.days you want. It's still an average of 70 km/day for the whole trip, but ymmv of course.

Really well thought out route. I would suggest coming down to the Mediterranean just west of Marseille, so you can ride through the Camargue.
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Thank you for the share and suggestions!
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Depends how many days you want off the bike looking around. Remember that in some parts of your journey there'll be a lot of climbing so a 100km per day average is going to feel more challenging than it looks.

If you do the longer route , tinker with it a bit so you can visit Paris. Seems a shame to ride north theough France and not see Paris. And consider a third option, which is to extend your shorter route by going a bit further south into Italy. Great cycling country, and a little loop taking in Bologna, Rome, Siena, Florence would be nice.
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I can't speak to your first route, but it looks like it would be a great route.

My wife and I rode part of your second route, and it would hard to go wrong. This was our route. We averaged 75 km/day for our actual riding days. However, we had 8 easy days in Paris, visited relatives in Barcelona, spent some time in Iceland, rain days, and would spend an occasional day in places that really interested us. We found that our route would change often, sometimes daily. Our only goal was to spend 90 days getting from Lisbon to Amsterdam. Well, we did want to see the finish of the Tour de France toward the end of July. We used our full 90 days allowable without a visa.

It is a pretty ambitious route to cover the 7200 km in 85 days. There are parts of the route where it will be easy to make 100 km/ day, but there are other sections that will be very challenging. We rode a 5960 km ride a few years ago and averaged almost 90 km/day with only three days totally off the bikes. It was physically much harder than our 2011 ride. It was harder not because of the distance or the topography, but due to riding day after day with no breaks. We had to be back to work on a specific date. Also, the older you get the more time it takes for recovery

IMO- I think you would be further ahead to determine what your real priorities are, and scale your route accordingly. Do you want to just "bag" countries, or do you really want to see Europe? I'm assuming you have already done some of that in your initial route planning.

Whatever you choose for your final route, you can't go wrong. Have fun!



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I can't see the maps well, but aren't these the same until Geneva or so? That will give you plenty of time to gauge your pace before you decide to swing north or not.
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I'd favor the 6000 km. You are going to want to linger in some places so you need a little slack time built in. There is so much to see in Europe, it would be a shame to miss too much because of the need to keep racking up the miles.
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Originally Posted by Machka
We haven't done much on the 6000 km route, but we have done a portion of your longer route ... specifically, the Rhine route from the Netherlands to St Goar, and also parts in Switzerland ...
https://www.machka.net/RTW_2012/RTW_Europe_Main_2012.htm

But here's a suggestion ... both routes start the same, right? Why not start and see how you feel? When you get to the point where you'd either go north or go west, decide what you want to do then.

And remember, there are always trains!
Where exactly was the camp ground in Arnhem? I am curious to see.. (I live in arnhem)
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