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Old 05-14-13, 09:54 AM
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I looked at the tent and all I can say is wow! Not sure what it weighs but the shipping weight is over 27 pounds!!! It makes me wonder if you are pulling our legs. I can't imagine that anyone would even give that a passing consideration.

You might want to shoot for 27 pounds or so as your total gear and clothing load without water and food, but including the panniers. That would be in the moderate to light range in the broad range of tourists.

I carried an 8 pound 4 person tent (for three of us) on the Trans America and cursed the weight every day.

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Old 05-14-13, 10:42 AM
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Been reading about the rails to trails, and imagine i will find myself on some of these, anyone want to feedback generally how they are. dirt, gravel ect. and how your bike performed. Don't know if that rails to trails group does any retro fit to make it more trail then rail.

Edit: So on their site, it lists type of surface and alot of asphalt, some are crushed stone. When I first saw them it was from the Google map using the biking tab that indicated data was provided by rails to trails. So does that mean if I follow the Google trip layout that generally I will be following the rails to trails that go along my route?

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Old 05-14-13, 11:29 AM
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Air mattresses now have Insulation In them so the heat you make in the bag, does not go into the cold ground.

Big Agnes and Exped for example .. many folks forgo the thick air mattress
for a thinner insulated closed cell foam pad that will not get a puncture in it, and thus go flat.
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Old 05-14-13, 11:50 AM
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Get on a bike - any bike - and ride it. Then start thinking about all this other stuff.
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Old 05-14-13, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FFXI_Shibaa View Post
Been reading about the rails to trails, and imagine i will find myself on some of these, anyone want to feedback generally how they are. dirt, gravel ect. and how your bike performed. Don't know if that rails to trails group does any retro fit to make it more trail then rail.
The surfaces vary pretty widely. Personally on tour I generally avoid R2T taking regular roads instead.
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Old 05-14-13, 12:42 PM
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forget google maps and forget rails to trails. There is so little of that kind of surface, unless you are going specifically off-road touring, that you should select your tires/wheels/bike based on what you will be doing most of the time - roads. you can ride on gravel, dirt and crushed lime just fine on 28-32mm road tires with no tread.

Here's a place to look for routes:
www.adveturecycling.org
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Old 05-14-13, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
forget google maps and forget rails to trails. There is so little of that kind of surface, unless you are going specifically off-road touring, that you should select your tires/wheels/bike based on what you will be doing most of the time - roads. you can ride on gravel, dirt and crushed lime just fine on 28-32mm road tires with no tread.

Here's a place to look for routes:
www.adveturecycling.org
I appreciate your advice, but I'm not finding this website that helpful, maybe I'm missing the info. I see a link to U.S. Bicycle Route System which I have seen a map of before and am totaling for, but so many states are still in development of that I don't see how it can be used now when most routes do not even exist yet. I also see Adventure cycling route network link, and they have maps for many routes, but you are paying a premium for them all and according to their own video on how to read the maps, there are so may changes that you still need to go online to print updates on your own. I think I found more info just by going to the dept of transportation website for example in NC and they have maps of the state routes but could certainly be in better detail, still looking maybe I'll find.

EDIT: found this map from their site http://www.adventurecycling.org/task...0A0B4605CA2014 It atleasts lists trails in existence, but not sure if they are just listing trails they have maps for, but there were several state routes I saw in NC that are not on this. So not sure what criteria they had to put these on here.

I agree that rails to trails is fairly limited in coverage but is a great organization. Most trails are just small few mile sections and are not connected to themselves. Did find the Erie Canal trail on there that is hundreds of miles and right in my back yard, I remember going there as a kid. Not sure why you are against google maps though. It can give me a turn by turn trip from point a to b. Better is the http://www.mycycletour.com/ but it adds onto the google map. I started using http://www.mycycletour.com/ and was thinking that would be what I use. I'll print out what I need from there.

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Old 05-14-13, 02:42 PM
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The ACA site used to have a clickable overview of all their different routes; now it's a PDF you have to download, but not interactive. An un-improvement if you ask me. However, unless your goal is to make your own route and see places that aren't on ACA trails, using one of their routes is probably the logistically simplest way to plan a trip - you can buy maps that have extensive info on distances, supplies, landmarks, and so on. The Trans-America Trail is the most popular but you can combine any of their routes with any others, or with other routes you develop yourself.
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Old 05-14-13, 03:21 PM
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A good resource for you might be Bicycle Touring 101 - a website dedicated to bicycle touring information. Go to the home page http://www.bicycletouring101.com/index.html then click on the subject you want in the wheel on the right side. Lots of information about equipment, planning, etc.
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Old 05-14-13, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FFXI_Shibaa View Post
closest thing I have is a gander mountain, has camping stuffs and cloths but no bikes. closest REI is like 6 hour drive. Totally agree would be good to see them in person.

Once I get to Wilson NC there is an REI in Raleigh and that is the daily commute they do for work, so could hit that place once there. Was hoping to have bike already shipped before trip, perhaps I'll just get other stuffs and wait on bike.

Yeah lol 8 person tent, what was I thinking, this should be more than enough http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sundom...&keywords=tent

Right now I'm talking about the camping equipment. Go to your gander mountain or whatever else you've got in your area. Even Walmart has camping gear. Or what about army surplus stores?

The tent you've linked to now looks like a much better idea, but the problem is that I don't see a folded down size or a weight. Maybe I'm missing it. If you go to a place that actually has tents, and look at something similar, you'll be able to see how big it is and how much it weighs.


For example, your previous tent choice weighed 27 lbs and probably folded down to roughly the size of your curb-side garbage can. You would have had a lot of difficulty carrying the thing. But that was probably not evident from the photo.

If you go browse around camping goods stores over the next week, you'll get a much better idea what you're looking at.
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Old 05-14-13, 07:24 PM
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Those coleman tents are ok as long as the wind doesn't blow and it doesn't rain. here are a couple better choices, lots of other options at those stores.

http://www.rei.com/outlet/search?cat=22000001&cat=22000022&cat=29340996&sortby=Price+%28Ascending%29&hist=cat%2C22000001%3ACam ping+%26+Hiking^cat%2C22000022%3ATents^cat%2C29340996%3ABackpacking+Tents

http://www.backcountry.com/eureka-ap...-3-season-tent
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Old 05-15-13, 11:30 AM
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"EDIT: found this map from their site http://www.adventurecycling.org/task...0A0B4605CA2014 It atleasts lists trails in existence, but not sure if they are just listing trails they have maps for, but there were several state routes I saw in NC that are not on this. So not sure what criteria they had to put these on here."

They are not trails in the sense of car-free bike trails. They are routes that ACA has mapped out over the years. While some incporate trails in places, they are mostly on-road. Look at the map again. They all have names. Like the Northern Tier, Trans Am, Atlantic Coast, etc. Then go their maps page where you can find more information about each route and even buy the maps:

http://www.adventurecycling.org/rout...route-network/

Look on the right. Each route is listed separately.

Capiche?

As noted, the maps contain a wealth of information such as the locations of motels, grocery stores, campgrounds, libraries abd bike shops along the routes. They cost money, but they can pay for themselves by helping you find cheap/free camping. (E.g., when a map tells you there is camping at a city park it's likelt going to be free.) They also have a resale value. Dealing with the addenda is not difficult. Most of the information on them is about changed services. (E.g,. closed camgrounds and stores.) Take a look at one to see. Some of them don't even have addendums. I have ridden several of their routes, including the entire Northern Tier. Glanced at the addenda from time to time (it's nice to know in advance if a campground is still open or a bridge is out requiring a detour), but they were not part of my daily routine.


Judging from this thread, I am thinking following an ACA route would be the way to go for you.
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Old 05-15-13, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FFXI_Shibaa View Post
Yeah lol 8 person tent, what was I thinking, this should be more than enough http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sundom...&keywords=tent
At close to 8 lbs., that Coleman tent should be more than enough to make you miserable.

Here is asuggestion: Don't consider any tent until you have ascertained its weight then automatically exclude any tent that weighs 5 lbs. or more, and that's being generous.
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Rule out any tent that weighs more than 4.5 pounds. That still allows some reasonably priced tents that are well designed and built. I would suggest the Eureka Spitfire 1, but if you must have a two person tent then maybe the Spitfire 2.
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Rule out any tent that weighs more than 4.5 pounds.
That is the weight I was going to go with, but since it's obvious he's trying to spend as little as possible, I thought the extra 8 oz. might save him a few $$.

OP: REI's anniversary sale starts Friday. In addition to sale items, you can save 20% on one full price item.

Check this out:

http://www.rei.com/product/731378/rei-camp-dome-2-tent

$100. Not the best thing in thew world, but a decent weight and closer to your price range. Not worth paying the $20 to join if it's all you are going to buy since that would cancel out the 20% discount.
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Old 05-15-13, 02:21 PM
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That is the weight I was going to go with, but since it's obvious he's trying to spend as little as possible, I thought the extra 8 oz. might save him a few $$.
Yeah that makes sense, Still the sub 4 pound spitfire 1 is a nice tent that can be found for under $100 if the OP shops around.

Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
OP: REI's anniversary sale starts Friday. In addition to sale items, you can save 20% on one full price item.

Check this out:

http://www.rei.com/product/731378/rei-camp-dome-2-tent
REI branded items are generally are pretty good stuff at a fairly reasonable cost.
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