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surly disc trucker: installing brake shifters + question about handlebars

Old 06-26-13, 01:21 PM
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surly disc trucker: installing brake shifters + question about handlebars

my disc trucker is due for delivery by the end of this week and i just can't get used to the bar-end shifters.

i'm wondering what would be necessary if i wanted to install a set of brake shifters. i've heard it can be done with the bb7 mountain that's stock on the disc trucker, but that i'd be pulling the levers down pretty far before they engaged the brakes and that having the road version would help with this.

assuming i want to stay with the bb7's, i'm guessing the only thing i would need to do is swap the mountains for the roads and i'd be good, but what if i wanted to upgrade to a set of hydraulics? what would be needed then? i'm fairly new to this so don't really know what to look for. also, is there a certain type of brifter i have to stick with?

re: the handlebars- i wanted to know if you could recommend one slightly wider than the stock Surly ones (I find them a tad narrow) and if anyone has tried out the Salsa Cowbell 2 on theirs. i ride a 60cm frame.

thanks in advance!

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Swapping the std BB7 mtb calipers for BB7 road calipers will make them compatible with any std brifter.

I've never been interested in hydraulic disc brakes. I've ignored them due to their greater cost, complexity and likelihood to cause me grief. Also I don't perceive a need for more braking power than the BB7 provides. If you get hydraulics you'll need the companion lever (all are for mtb bars), or one of the new road levers (TRP, Shim, SRAM). These are expensive unproven alternatives to the fairly common BB7.

Your best bet for a brifter is a 9s Triple Sora or Tiagra.

I suggest you really try the bar-ends on the new SDT before you make any decisions. Barends are simple, cheap, and make the bike less of a candidate for theft (brifters cost >$200, microshift barends are $60).

There are many bar choices, and you'll likely run out of money/enthusiasm for swapping and trying bars before you get to the perfect bar.
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either bb7 road calipers or travel agents for the front and the back plus the brifters is all you need. hydrolics for road are very high end at the moment.
The cowbell 2's are superb and should be just what you are looking for.
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Deore M596 hydraulic disk brakes make BB7s feel stone age and they are priced about the same. You would have to use a mountain bike bar or better yet an "alt" bar with a 22.2mm diameter. Examples: Nitto North Road, Soma Oxford, Wald #8095 , Velo Orange Postino. I use an upside down Wald, it looks great. If you went this route you could use MTB shifters. Bar ends and integrated road levers shift vaguely by comparison.
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The bike hasn't even arrived, and already you know you don't like the bar end shifters.
I think it is all in your head.

Get the bike, have it fitted for you and ride it for a month before you start making changes.
You may find out you like it as is.
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Originally Posted by mrkm
assuming i want to stay with the bb7's, i'm guessing the only thing i would need to do is swap the mountains for the roads and i'd be good, but what if i wanted to upgrade to a set of hydraulics? what would be needed then? i'm fairly new to this so don't really know what to look for. also, is there a certain type of brifter i have to stick with?
You definitely want to swap the BB7 MTB calipers for BB7 Road calipers. The BB7 Road calipers work well with both Shimano and SRAM levers and you don't have to bother with fiddly Travel Agent adapters.

At the moment, there aren't many hydraulic-capable road levers. The ones I'm aware of tend to be very expensive and only work with double chainrings (ex: SRAM's 11-speed Red 22 Hydro or 10-speed SRAM S700 levers). My guess is that your Disc Trucker really isn't setup to run the larger-diameter brake lines required by a hydraulic system. If you want disc brakes on a road bike, my recommendation would be to stick with cable-actuated brakes.

In terms of compatibility, you just need to make sure that the shifters you buy are compatible with the bike's existing derailleurs. SRAM rear derailleurs, for example, use a different cable pull than Shimano derailleurs so they'll only work with SRAM levers (and vice versa). IIRC, the Disc Trucker comes with Shimano derailleurs so you'll probably want to stick with Shimano brifters. I believe the stock DT drive-train is 9-speed so you're limited to Tiagra or Sora levers.

P.S. I can't fault you for wanting brifters: I've been using them for the last 15 or 20 years and you couldn't pay me to go back to bar-ends...
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Okay, so I've had the bike a bit now and am still thinking about installing some brifters.
Since I'm new to this, just to confirm all I need to buy is the actual shifters, right? Does the current number of speeds on my bike limit me to brake shifters with the same amount of speeds? Current ones are 9 speeds, these are the ones I want and are 10: https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/c...r/rp-prod40594
Do I need new cables? Also, I have to get *just* the BB7 road brakes, right? Just like this: https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/c...e/rp-prod67750
Would getting one of those aforementioned Travel Agents do the same job as if I'd gotten the BB7 roads?
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Brifter conversion will be costly, so get used to that. parting with more Money..

want 10 .need the 10 cassette on the rear hub too..

but what if i wanted to upgrade to a set of hydraulics?
TRP has 2 options , Under the stem cable to hydraulic conversion,
that sort, is offered by other companies too.
cable from brifters is short, hose between stem master and wheel slave .

and their Hy Rd new just released for sale

cable runs all the way to the wheel master and slave are both in the same, caliper, part.


Wide bars ? Nitto noodles are available in a 48cm width. https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hb1.htm

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if it's just that you don't like reaching down to the shifters and want them higher you might consider these https://www.paulcomp.com/thumbies.html
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Get Paul Thumbies or Retroshift, no need to switch to BB7 road then. just order the right retroshift setup for linear pull brakes.
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mrkm, The link for the shifter is just the front double chain ring shifter. Don't you have three chain rings? I'm not sure if the brake link is for one or two, looks to be one so best to call.

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Also, you have to be sure the shifters you pick are compatible with the front derailleur you have. Shimano XT & XTR front derailleurs do not work with Shimano brifters as the cable movement per shift does not match. In that case you would have to go to an Ultegra, Sora? or 105 triple front derailleur

Bar ends keep looking better!
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Also, you have to be sure the shifters you pick are compatible with the front derailleur you have. Shimano XT & XTR front derailleurs do not work with Shimano brifters as the cable movement per shift does not match. In that case you would have to go to an Ultegra, Sora? or 105 triple front derailleur

Bar ends keep looking better!
as long as you stick to slightly older 9spd stuff it will work fine... its the newer 10spd stuff that has the odd ball pull ratios that give people grief :-/
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Originally Posted by donalson
as long as you stick to slightly older 9spd stuff it will work fine... its the newer 10spd stuff that has the odd ball pull ratios that give people grief :-/
I am not positive if this is correct but my LBS told me that the XT and XTR front 9 speed derailleurs will not work with the 9 speed Shimano road brifters.
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I've got Tiagra sti's, Deore XT rd, re-purposed Tiagra FD with road BB7's on my disc trucker. I'm also running 22/32/44t m591 Deore crank set
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