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Please, recommnd me alternative to LHT Disc frameset for size 54?

I want to build to build touring bike on steel frameset with disc brakes. I like LHT frameset very much, but I need size 54 or even 52 (depends on exact geometry), and LHT for 700c wheels starts from 56 :(

Could you advice me some frameset with comparable geometry, weight and price, and with disc brakes support, and with size 52-54?

I'm living in Russia, so it will better if this frameset is available in European on-line shops or off-line somewhere in Finland, which I could visit easily.

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Please, recommnd me alternative to LHT Disc frameset for size 54?

How about Dawes in the UK?
Here's a link to their touring bikes which can be ordered online:
https://www.dawescycles.com/c-167-touring.aspx

The "Galaxy" would be about the price of a LHT I believe.
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Soma Saga has a 54cm model that takes 700c wheels. I think it'll take discs.

Nuts, Russia! I have no idea if you can get them. They apparently ship to China...
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Originally Posted by imi
How about Dawes in the UK?
Here's a link to their touring bikes which can be ordered online:
https://www.dawescycles.com/c-167-touring.aspx
I don't like their complete sets (I want Avid BB7/Road brakes, and something like Shimano 105 for everything else, including integral brake/shifters levers), it is why I looking for frameset.

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Soma Saga has a 54cm model that takes 700c wheels. I think it'll take discs.
Nuts, Russia! I have no idea if you can get them. They apparently ship to China...
Yep, it is main problem with Soma, shipping of one frame to Russia from USA with relaible carrier ("standard" post is not reliable in Russia by any means, unfortunately) is cost about the same as frameset itself :( It is Ok to ship from Germany (www.bike-components.de) or even Ireland (www.chainreactioncycles.com), but none of them sell Soma framesets :( And anyway, Saga didn't have any eyelets for disc calipers. But even if I drop discs requirements, it is hard to get Soma in Russia for reasonable price.
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Please, recommnd me alternative to LHT Disc frameset for size 54?

Nuts! It's just a frameset you want...
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It is not exactly "I want a frameset," it more like "I didn't see complete setup, which I like" Completes tends to use barend shifters (with disc brakes, instead of using road disc calipers and intergal levers) or canti breaks (with integral levers) or more cheap hubs or something like this
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The easy answer is to get the Surly (you like the bike) and live with the 26 inch wheels.
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blacklion79, You might look for one of these: https://www.raleighusa.com/archive/20...ad/sojourn-12/ .

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This is a complete build, including rack and fenders.
A month ago, I got a new 2010 Jamis Aurora Elite. I love it. Current year models have bar-end shifters, but like you, I wanted brifters. I emailed Jamis and found out that I could simply go to my local Jamis dealer and they could log in to see what sizes of past year bikes are available. They were out of the red in my size so I got the blue (which I prefered anyway--I had let my wife talk me into asking for a red one).
Also, current year model of the Aurora Elite goes for about $1600. 2010 is $1040.

https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...lite_spec.html
Sizes made: 47, 50, 53, 55, 57, 59, 62cm
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Surly DLHT starts at a 56 in 700c, 42 if you go with 26" wheels
https://surlybikes.com/bikes/disc_trucker/geometry..

if Traveling out of .RU to pick up your bike in a shop is a possibility, here's Finn Distributor.

[NB: it was very simple to find this info on the web.]

Foxcomp Finland Oy
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https://www.foxcomp.fi/

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If you don't need front and rear disks you could try a Surly Crosscheck frame with a Disc Trucker fork.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
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Traveling out of .RU to pick up your bike in a shop a possibility?
Your post made me go back and read the OP more closely.

Here is the Jamis dealer in Moscow:
Performance Sport
Olimpiysky prospect, 16/2,
129110, Moscow, Russia
tel: 007-095-937-28-14
fax: 007-095-785-05-76
julia@trial-sport.ru

And since you posted that you can pick up in Finland:
Intersport Finland, LTD
Valimotie 17
00016 Kesko, Helsinki
tel. +358 1053 40903
fax +358 9 176 780
www.intersport.fi
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Yet to do a lot of kms, but so far I'm more than happy with my Surly Ogre.
I'm not too sure about your 54 sizing but there is a frame page within my link:
https://surlybikes.com/bikes/ogre
under "Geometry".
The frames offer the use of both disk brakes or V-brakes - your choice.
They are 29er (700c) and can take tires up to about 2.5 inches wide.
The come with lots of mounting points to take a huge variety of different racks and have frame mounts for 3 water bottle cages.
Pre drilled with mounts for trailer "nuts", Rohloff OEM2 plate (or deraileur), mudguards and even water bottle mounts on the front forks (if you decide you dont want to utilise the front pannier rack mounts.
Mine has a Rohloff, Tubus racks, 2.35 tires, BB7's and I think is a great alternative to a LHT.

Dealers - https://surlybikes.com/dealers/


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Originally Posted by bikemig
The easy answer is to get the Surly (you like the bike) and live with the 26 inch wheels.
+1

It's not only the easy answer, it's about the only answer in an inexpensive, disc-capable touring frameset.

OP, there is not much difference between a 26" wheeled LHT and a 700c Disc Trucker (I have one of each). The main difference, obviously, are the brakes - discs work a little better in dry weather and a lot better in wet weather. The improved braking comes at a price, outlined here.

There is next to no difference in the speed of 26" and 700c wheeled bikes in a touring setting. 26" wheels have an advantage in fitting smaller frames / bicyclists better, tires are more readily available worldwide (although most of the tires are more suited for mountain biking than pavement use), and 26" wheels have a slight advantage in longevity over 700c.
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Salsa vaya 54cm is 700c and disk, comes in frame only or built-up in two versions. I have the 3 and the only change I need to make is lower gearing, has BB7s.
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Originally Posted by seeker333
+1

It's not only the easy answer, it's about the only answer in an inexpensive, disc-capable touring frameset.
Surly also offer the Troll https://surlybikes.com/bikes/troll
(being the Ogres little brother) in 26' wheels but with all the mounts of the Ogre.
The Troll also allows for wider (26x2.7) tires than the Ogre and if your interested in reading blogs then I suggest a peruse of Cass Gilberts https://www.whileoutriding.com/ whose experiences in South America on both Troll and Ogre make for fine reading.
It my opinion that whilst the LHT (disk or not) is a great machine, it doesn't share quite the versatility
of the Ogre and therefore for me, made second choice albeit a mighty fine one.
I'm not so sure where the above cut of Seeker333s post was coming from, (not unusual for my slow brain and probably something I've failed to pick up on) but without taking exception I will add that Surly themselves list under their "Touring" section, the Ogre, the Troll, the Long Haul Trucker, the Disk Trucker and Trucker Delux - in that order.
Last I checked all but the Trucker Delux were within $100 of each other so could all be called inexpensive.
To clarify - all are available as a frameset.

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Originally Posted by Latif
Salsa vaya 54cm is 700c and disk, comes in frame only or built-up in two versions. I have the 3 and the only change I need to make is lower gearing, has BB7s.
+1 I have owned both the Surly and the Salsa and have ridden them both loaded and I much prefer the Vaya. It is more comfortable and feels more stable in my opinion. The only way I can describe it that the Surly felt top heavy compared to the Vaya.
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Originally Posted by MMACH 5
And since you posted that you can pick up in Finland:
Intersport Finland, LTD
Valimotie 17
00016 Kesko, Helsinki
tel. +358 1053 40903
fax +358 9 176 780
www.intersport.fi
Uh... Just a word of caution here. Intersport is a large general sports store chain, they don't know much about anything they sell. I suppose you could use them as a facilitator but definitely don't expect any knowledgeable help from them.

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Have you thought about tire availability? I have no idea what your market is like. I prefer 700x42+ touring tires - there not commonly stocked even here in the States. Fortunately everyone stocks 700x35 for hybrids.
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Originally Posted by TheReal Houdini
Have you thought about tire availability? I have no idea what your market is like. I prefer 700x42+ touring tires - there not commonly stocked even here in the States. Fortunately everyone stocks 700x35 for hybrids.
Here in Australia, I mostly order my tires from Germany
https://www.bike24.net/1.php?content...|&lang=2&mid=6
or
https://www.starbike.com/en/search/?q=schwalbe
(with starbike the correct pricing for countries not part of the EU is at the end of the transaction as non EU countries dont pay the VAT.
Dont think Russia is part of the EU but could be wrong
Dont theres any issue for 700c tyres in the northern hemisphere.

I havnt used them, but these guys name comes up often in another forum:
https://www.bike-components.de/advan...s=surly%20ogre

and these guys for components at good prices
and speedy well priced postage. https://www.xxcycle.com/power-supply-...e-werk,,en.php

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Originally Posted by rifraf
Dont think Russia is part of the EU but could be wrong
You're not wrong.

Originally Posted by rifraf
I havnt used them, but these guys name comes up often in another forum:
https://www.bike-components.de/advan...s=surly%20ogre
I've ordered something from them, no idea what it was anymore, but they're still in my list of good web shops.

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I prefer mail order also but... I've had to buy 3 tires on the road due to casing failures over the last four years.
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I looked at the Surly site, and the Disk LHT is available in the size you need, of course in 26 inch wheels, but I would go with the 26 inch wheels if I were you. I have the 56 and ordered it with the 26 inch wheels and love it. I think you would have serious toe overlap issues with 700c wheels on a 54 or 52cm frame. As long as getting 26 inch tires isn't and issue where you are, I would stick with 26 inch wheels.

What are your reasons for wanting 700s instead of the 26 inch wheels?
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The Vaya 54 uses 700 wheels. Toe overlap is a bit of an issue on my 56, with fenders and size 12 (46) shoes. My toe brushes the fender by about 1.5 cm at the worst spot but it's not a big problem.
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