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Old 08-13-13, 11:51 AM
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Surly Long Haul Trucker Deluxe build -

Hi,

Currently building up a bike for my gf and have a LHT Deluxe 26 in the mail

Needed help on a budget build -

Crankset - ? - some kind of triple
BB - ?
FD - ?
RD - XT M772 Shadow 9sp
Cassette - HG61 12-36
Chain - XT HG94 9 sp
Headset - Cane Creek 10
Brakes - BB7 road 160 F/R
Levers - TRP RRL
Shifters - bar end although can't find any low priced
Stem - Velo Orange 26.0 threadless
Handlebar - ?
Seatpost - Easton EA70
Saddle - Brooks
Wheelset - Need help here, looking into a low price 650B set
Tyres - Pacenti Pari moto / Grand Bois Hetre - (suggestions welcome)


Any suggestions welcome -
Thanks !
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Crankset - Shimano M590 w/ integrated BB (48, 36, 26T)
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Bar End Shifters - They are pricey new but they last forever. Or consider some used ones from EBay.
Handlebar - Salsa Cowbell 3 (but you'd have to change stem) or Nitto Noodle for the 26.0 stem you want
Seatpost - V.O. Long Setback works nicely with Brooks saddles (they tend to need more setback), plus it will match the color of your stem and Nitto handlebar.

Nice build, BTW!
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+1 bar end shifters (indexed versions)

I would suggest a 110/74 bcd triple crankset and square taper bottom bracket (Shimano UN55 is good)

For handlebars, if drop style, consider a raddoneur style with Shimano B400 aero brakes and some tektro cross brakes for the tops. Great combination for a variety of hand holds with easy braking.

Before buying a brooks, make sure your GF finds it comfortable. Maybe consider ordering from the US retailer who has a 6 month money back return policy. (Can't remember the name)

For the RD I recommend the Shimano RD-591 Deore. It can do 8 or 9 speeds easily and is more compatible with a variety of shifters I believe.

The front derailleur will be somewhat dependent upon what crankset and shifters you choose.
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Originally Posted by f/64
Hi,

Currently building up a bike for my gf and have a LHT Deluxe 26 in the mail

Needed help on a budget build -

Crankset - ? - some kind of triple
BB - ?
FD - ?
RD - XT M772 Shadow 9sp
Cassette - HG61 12-36
Chain - XT HG94 9 sp
Headset - Cane Creek 10
Brakes - BB7 road 160 F/R
Levers - TRP RRL
Shifters - bar end although can't find any low priced
Stem - Velo Orange 26.0 threadless
Handlebar - ?
Seatpost - Easton EA70
Saddle - Brooks
Wheelset - Need help here, looking into a low price 650B set
Tyres - Pacenti Pari moto / Grand Bois Hetre - (suggestions welcome)


Any suggestions welcome -
Thanks !
I would second the M590. And the handlebars. However, I'd do STI for the shifters. I've never liked barend shifters. I would also suggest using any front derailer from Shimano below the Tiagra for road shifters or the Deore for bar end. The higher level front derailers are narrower, more sculpted and more difficult to set up than the less expensive front derailers. The narrow width of the higher priced derailers also limit the number of gears you can use in the back before you start rubbing.

The Easton is okay but if you want one of the best seatposts around, look into a Race Face. The Turbine is nice and light but the Evolve is less expensive. Both have a clamping mechanism that is completely independent of the tilt mechanism. Dead easy to set up.

For wheels, you could build your own with Velo Orange Grand Cru or buy their 650 wheel set for around $330. Either way would cost about the same. I do question going with a 650 wheelset however, especially on a touring bike. Finding tires in a pinch will be next to impossible in many parts...if now most...of the US. I live in a bike crazy town and I don't know where that I could lay my hands on 650B tires today. If you split a tire somewhere between Portland, OR and Missoula, MT, for example, finding a replacement could mean waiting for one to be delivered. Helmarts carry 700C and 26" which aren't great tires but they get the job done and you can find Helmarts nearly everywhere.
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Tyres - Pacenti Pari moto / Grand Bois Hetre - (suggestions welcome)
Posh but not durable for actual Touring ..

LHT delux is for 700c or 26" no 650b. you always going to ride home ? or bring extra tires with you ?

stick with a 26" tire in a 26" frame . a Schwalbe Marathon greenguard will resist punctures , the 1.5 should roll well..
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Appreciate the feedback !

M590's = nicely priced on eBay

Also, the shape of the Noodle's look nice !
She also likes the idea of STI although I'm familiar with the modern shifters (high priced) - Campy/Sram/Shimano although what would be a good STI that's at a good price/quality ?

Would it be okay to run the Avid BB7's on them as well ?

Also, I was looking into the 650B's due to the tyre selection (Hetre) weight, volume & all-around profile although anyone have any thoughts with 650B & 26 wheels; I love the VO wheels although they aren't disc !

Going to be for commuting & long rides (60-100 miles per ride) with some touring here and there.

Thanks everyone !
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If packing the bike for gong places is anticipated , get a centerlick Hub in front at least,

you will save on bent discs when packed , by removing it from the hub when boxing it up to do that Loire tour.

Centerlock makes that easy.

rear 6 bolt will be fine since that wheel stays on , when shipped.

You would have been better off buying the complete bike from a shop and then changing a few parts.
now all parts are sold at retail.


Shadow RD uses the return spring to shift up to the lower gears so may not shift when waiting too long.

The backwards FD, with the cable pulling it into Low gear made more sense ..

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Originally Posted by fietsbob
If packing the bike for gong places is anticipated , get a centerlick Hub in front at least,

you will save on bent discs when packed , by removing it from the hub when boxing it up to do that Loire tour.

Centerlock makes that easy.

rear 6 bolt will be fine since that wheel stays on , when shipped.

You would have been better off buying the complete bike from a shop and then changing a few parts.
now all parts are sold at retail.

Never thought about the centerlock, sounds handy.

The frame was at a price I couldn't turn down & working in the cycling industry = discount on some of the parts & all added up which is almost equivalent to a complete although will take a lot of time.
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Originally Posted by f/64
She also likes the idea of STI although I'm familiar with the modern shifters (high priced) - Campy/Sram/Shimano although what would be a good STI that's at a good price/quality ?
I have used Tiagra's with a triple touring bike and they worked very well. I have also read, that the Tiagra works better with the mountain style gearing (triple) associated with touring bikes than the higher end shimano STI. I can't confirm or deny.
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Originally Posted by f/64
Appreciate the feedback !

M590's = nicely priced on eBay

Also, the shape of the Noodle's look nice !
She also likes the idea of STI although I'm familiar with the modern shifters (high priced) - Campy/Sram/Shimano although what would be a good STI that's at a good price/quality ?

Would it be okay to run the Avid BB7's on them as well ?

Also, I was looking into the 650B's due to the tyre selection (Hetre) weight, volume & all-around profile although anyone have any thoughts with 650B & 26 wheels; I love the VO wheels although they aren't disc !

Going to be for commuting & long rides (60-100 miles per ride) with some touring here and there.

Thanks everyone !
Sram doesn't make a triple crank road shifter. Campy is probably too expensive and you'd need a Campy drivetrain...more expensive. Shimano STI works well and is very durable in my experience. I have (or have had) Tiagra, 105 and Ultegra. While there is some finish difference and some weight difference, it's not all that much. Tiagra works well and will probably serve you for quite a while. My current touring bike has a 46/36/20 crank with 105 shifters, if that is any help.

Since you are planning on the BB7 road discs, they should work with STI because that's what they are designed to do.

You can find lots of 26" tires that will do the job. There are more 650's out there than there used to be but they haven't hit the big box stores yet. They may in the future but I wouldn't expect it for sooner than 5 to 10 years. It is something to consider if you are planning on touring.
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Did you mean LHT disc? The LHT deluxe is rim brake only.
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I would second to reconsider going with 650b wheels/tires for touring purposes. It is so much easier to find 26" tire replacements than 650b whether you're touring the U.S. or abroad, unless you don't mind waiting a few days for a mail order to arrive. 26" will also give you more room to run wider tires and fenders -- part of the original intent for this frameset. Whichever way you go, choose a good rim, good hubs and double-butted spokes. Velocity makes some good rims. I suggest the Aeroheat if you go 26".

Tires - Should you go with 26", I personally love the Schwalbe Marathon Racer.

Omiak is right about the BB7 brakes on the Surly LHT Deluxe frame. You cannot run disc brakes. I believe Shimano has some nice canti brakes: the CX50. Paul Components' Touring Cantis are highly coveted but they are also super expensive.

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Originally Posted by Omiak
Did you mean LHT disc? The LHT deluxe is rim brake only.
Snap - thats what I was thinking as I was scrolling down.
If Surly did a disk braked Trucker Delux I'd have never bought my Ogre although I'm not sorry I did, just I would have been over the moon with a S&S coupled Trucker.
As it is, I've got the now find a local frame builder to get an idea how much I'm going to be up for to add the couplings to my Surly Ogre.
As to the Trucker Delux,
I suppose you can just add a Disk Trucker fork, but its not really the same if you've got your heart on a disk braked bike.
I'm not suggesting theres anything wrong with non-disk but for me, I like the disks mighty fine.
I use BB7's.

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Velocity makes some good rims. I suggest the Aeroheat if you go 26".

Tires - Should you go with 26", I personally love the Schwalbe Marathon Racer.
In the Aeroheat extrusion, Velocity make a good 700c rim called a Dyad.
I use them in my Ogre.
I'm fairly pleased with the Schwalbe Supremes I'm currently trialing.
They dont look half as good as my fat Big Apples (which are 700x2.35), but at 700x2.00, the folding Supremes are much lighter and less ponderous, meaning they accelerate faster and climb better.
I think the Big Apples are better bang for buck in that they are more durable and much cheaper.
I'll stick with the Apples for day to day riding/commuting but for tours the Supremes will probably win out and will be combined with some Schwalbe Mondials (folding) for any serious off the tarmac conditions.

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^^^^
If you want both disc brakes and S&S couplers on a touring bike, there is nothing available off-the-shelf. You're forced to go with a custom frameset.
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If not a disc brake frame, 650B wheel option is Moot.
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My disc lht is like 2 months old now.

Second on the 590 series.
I have a M591, love the stump pulling gears! Comes with a BB, maybe not the best. But works for me so far!
Really like the noodle. Made me realize how good my other handlebar was. Liked that, spoiled by the noodle.

I'm running bb7's road version w/ sti's... So Road version for sti's, mountain for standard. I like having cross brakes as well...

2 things I'd do differently. I would use a cane creek headset instead of the PIG. Sealed bearings are marvelous! I would also go 24t not 22t on granny.

My wheels are no help. There for very heavy riders say over 250, loaded touring. I like 'em, but over kill, even for me.

Marathons are great to avoid flats. Pluses are heavier and add resistance.

Seat is a VERY personal thing. seat posts and stems are to fit...
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Originally Posted by f/64
Hi,

Currently building up a bike for my gf and have a LHT Deluxe 26 in the mail

Needed help on a budget build -

Crankset - ? - some kind of triple
BB - ?
FD - ?
RD - XT M772 Shadow 9sp
Cassette - HG61 12-36
Chain - XT HG94 9 sp
Headset - Cane Creek 10
Brakes - BB7 road 160 F/R
Levers - TRP RRL
Shifters - bar end although can't find any low priced
Stem - Velo Orange 26.0 threadless
Handlebar - ?
Seatpost - Easton EA70
Saddle - Brooks
Wheelset - Need help here, looking into a low price 650B set
Tyres - Pacenti Pari moto / Grand Bois Hetre - (suggestions welcome)


Any suggestions welcome -
Thanks !
I am a Clyde and my needs are probably different than yours. For me, this is what I use:

Crankset - ? - some kind of triple: 94/58 Coda triple crank from e-bay. I got mine for $25. There are plenty of other choices.
Chainrings 20-32-42. At the end of a long, hot day when you hit that last serious climb, being able to drop to a 20-32 or 20-36 can
be a real knee saver.
BB - ? Shimano UN52 68/108 cartridge
FD - ? Deore XT
RD - XT M772 Shadow 9sp Deore XT 750
Cassette - HG61 12-36 OK
Chain - XT HG94 9 sp OK
Headset - Cane Creek 10 OK
Brakes - BB7 road 160 F/R OK
Levers - TRP RRL
Shifters - bar end Shimano DuraAce 9 spd.
Stem - Velo Orange 26.0 threadless OK
Handlebar - ? Nitto 115 46 cm bars
Seatpost - Easton EA70 OK
Saddle – Brooks Brooks B17
Wheelset - Need help here, looking into a low price 650B set
I have no insight into 650b wheels. I had wheels made for me.
Hubs White Industry but Shimano Deore or Deore XT would be fine. I like 40 spoke wheels for my weight. If you are much
lighter, 36 would be fine
Rims Velocity Synergy 650b, or Aeroheat 26” or Dyad in 700c
Tyres - Pacenti Pari moto / Grand Bois Hetre - (suggestions welcome)
I am a Clyde, so I may be much heavier than you. The tires you suggest would work for me unloaded, but may be too
light and fragile for loaded touring. I have no insight into 650b tires, but in 26”
and 700c I use Conti Sport Contact and Vittoria Randonneur Hyper.
Something along those lines may be more appropriate for loaded touring.
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Thanks for the great tips everyone.

My mistake - it's actually the LHT Disc.
UPS status shows delivered & gf sent me a surprise picture





I'm actually looking into Tiagra STI's & now I'm in the process of looking around for a 26 inch wheelset w/ disc hubs; may just build one up.

I'll keep everyone updated & any other suggestions, I appreciate !
Not really familiar with the touring category of cycling so this is a good learning experience for me.
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For the GF and the STI .. I would look at short ramp Bars rather than the longer ramp Noodles ..

the brifter will be too far away.. otherwise ... Her arms, upper-body are not long like yours ..

there is no short reach lever design like Dia Compe/Cane Creek Did.



I have Noodles but I run older cable out the top Modolo Brake levers and Bar end shifters..

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I'm actually looking into Tiagra STI's & now I'm in the process of looking around for a 26 inch wheelset w/ disc hubs; may just build one up.
Yes, there is a good supply of 26" MTB wheelsets available on Craigslist and Ebay. If you find one laced with at least 32 double-butted spokes and disc hubs of nice quality, grab 'em.
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Here's my LHT Deluxe Specifications:

Frame: Surly Trucker Deluxe, midnight blue, 2011
Size: 54cm, 26" wheels
Fork: Surly uncut steer tube, lugged and brazed
Headset: Ritchey Logic Comp, 1-1/8" threadless, black
Front Derailleur: Shimano Tiagra FD-4403 triple
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore LX, RD-M581, SGS, long cage
Shifters: Shimano SL-BS64 Bar-end, 8-speed
Crankset: Sugino XD600, 46-36-24t, 170mm arms
Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN54, 68x113mm
Seatpost: Kalloy Uno, 27.2, 350mm, black
Seatpost Clamp: Salsa, black
Handlebars: Nitto North Road, CroMoly, 25.4mm clamp, 550mm width, 1.5" cut from each side,
Stem: Kalloy, 100mm, black
Brake Levers: Tektro RL520 Ergo, black
Brakes: Shimano Deore XT, BR-M770, V-brakes
Brake Pads: Kool Stop
Saddle: Brooks B67, honey
Hubs: Shimano XT, HU-M770, 36h, silver
Spokes: DT Swiss, stainless, silver
Rims: 26", Mavic XM719 , 36h, black
Cassette SRAM PG850 8-speed, 11-32t
Chain: SRAM PC-870, 8-speed
Cables: Jagwire
Cable Separators: Easy-Split In-Line
Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Extreme, 26x2.0
Fenders: SKS, P65mm, Chromoplastic, black

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Man that's a sweet build.. making me excited !

I got a wheelset/crankset I can get at a very good price although it's a XC wheelset/mtb crankset - any clue if it'll hold up well/be fine ?

EA70 2012 XC wheelset
Sram X7 crankset GXP - 44-32-22

Getting very close !
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any clue if it'll hold up well/be fine ?
If it's new you have a year of typical materials and workmanship warrantee to sort it out ..
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
If it's new you have a year of typical materials and workmanship warrantee to sort it out ..
In terms of using a MTB wheelset (different spoke count) & mtb crankset (heard of BB spacing issues)

And one last thing I am stuck on before making this purchase,
What's the tyre clearance ? I see 2.1 on the website although see people running fatter 2.35 tyres (nevegal)

Thanks !
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