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Old 08-17-13, 06:36 AM
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Rim Dilemma!

As I move forward with my list of items for the 2 LHT's I will be building up I am stuck at this point right now. Which 26" rim to choose. I see the stock LHT come with Alex Adventures, but when I ask a few guys at the shop,where, I work PT, they say they are on the lower end.
So I would appreciate your advice.
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They are on the lower end of price range just as Sun CR18 or Rhynolite are. That doesn't mean they are inadequate to the task. If you see yourself wanting to run wider tires occasionally I'd get wider rims around 27mm like the rhynolite. If you are upwards of 200+lbs and carrying heavy loads and fatter tires why not go straight to a beefy rim for the rear. The other pricier rims may be stronger for their weight or have smoother seams but in 26" you have a wide margin or error with normal loads.

If the two bikes have significantly different loads why not build the wheels appropriately? Or make a test with the lighter rider having pricey light wheels and the heavy rider using cheap heavy wheels and straight spokes. See what happens over time.
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Putting Cost Aside.. Mavic Ex 721 are very nice , I found.. Welded seam machined brake track,

the extrusion of the inner wall even features a channel so the rim tape loop wont slide out of position over the holes.
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Originally Posted by LeeG
They are on the lower end of price range just as Sun CR18 or Rhynolite are. That doesn't mean they are inadequate to the task.
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I tend to look at what well regarded touring bike brands use.
I noticed Co-Motion tend to use Velocity rims on their bikes.
Their two most often quoted wheels utelise both Dyad and Chukker rims.
I've gone with 36H Dyads which are the lighter of the two.
If I have any issue with them (i'm not expecting to), I'll go next with the Chukkers.

For my Surly Ogre, I went with the Velocity Dyad 700c
https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/dyad-622
coupled with Sapim CX-Ray spokes (36H), Son28 and Rohloff hubs.

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One possibility is the 26" version of the velocity dyad (I believe it is called the Aero head?)
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On one of my bike builds I suffered the same dilemma you have. One good local mechanic recommended either Velocity or Salsa. After that I checked to see what Surly put on their cargo bike, the Big Dummy. They used Salsa Gordo which I took as an endorsement for heavy duty use. Since I expected to have a lot of gear on that bike on occasion, I went with the Gordo. They however are pretty heavy. But other than the weight I am quite happy with them.

I prefer presta but since I wanted to make sure I was not stranded if I was in a rural area where they only sold shrader tubes, I drilled out the rim to take shrader, but put in the wheels mfg adapter so that I can run presta.
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I would also look at what's widely available to replace while on tour.
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Originally Posted by PlanoFuji
One possibility is the 26" version of the velocity dyad (I believe it is called the Aero head?)
Very close, tis the Aeroheat which also come in 20 inch (406).
https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/aeroheat-406
I use these on my Moulton APB with Sram Dualdrive rear and Sondelux front. I went with 36H and got wheelbuilder.com in California to build them up with custom shortened Sapim CX-Ray spokes and ship them to me in Australia.





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I used Velocity Aeorheat rims on my 26" heavy duty touring bike. I used 40 hole White Industry hubs. I have had spoke breakage problems in the past (I am a Clyde and tend to carry way too much gear) but I didn't have any problems this last time.
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Originally Posted by Tandem Tom
As I move forward with my list of items for the 2 LHT's I will be building up I am stuck at this point right now. Which 26" rim to choose. I see the stock LHT come with Alex Adventures, but when I ask a few guys at the shop,where, I work PT, they say they are on the lower end.
So I would appreciate your advice.
Thanks!
The Alex rims might work just fine. They don't seem to be too heavy (not needed) nor too wide (again not needed). I've had some Alex rims in the past and never had a problem with them. I have far more experience in 26" rims with Mavic, however. I'd recommend XC717, however. I've used them for many years for mountain biking. I've had several sets of them on many bikes and never had any issue with the rim.

I would also suggest that you consider good spokes which are, in my opinion, more important than the rim. DT Alpine III are my favorite but Wheelsmith (DH13), Sapim (Strong), or Pillar offer similar spokes at competitive prices. I don't have any experience with spokes other than the DT but the Pillars look very interesting. They offer a spoke with a quad butted spoke that may be even stronger than the DT. I'm planning on trying them in the near future.
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Originally Posted by ClemY
I used Velocity Aeorheat rims on my 26" heavy duty touring bike. I used 40 hole White Industry hubs. I have had spoke breakage problems in the past (I am a Clyde and tend to carry way too much gear) but I didn't have any problems this last time.
Aeroheats are an excellent choice for this. I mean, I'm quite biased, but of the 26" Velocity lineup, they'd be my #1 recommendation. I have a pair laced to our standard road hubs on my Schwinn High Plains touring bike conversion. I ride it nearly everyday as a commuter and they have held up outstandingly well, even on our (really) bad roads.

It all comes down to the wheelbuild, however. The Wheel Department here does a great job getting every spoke to within a max +/- 10kgf tension variance, and there are a lot of competent wheel builders out there, but there are also a lot of hacks.

I'd probably stay with DT or Sapim spokes, personally.
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I built up some wheels with Alex Adventurer rims. I did the trans am this summer with them and gave them a good beating on some forest service roads. : ) No issues. They are 26".

cyccomute, what the heck is a "quad butted" spoke? Triple makes since Thick-thin-sort-of-thick... there's really 4 different thicknesses? Why?

edit: ... looked it up... that's silly looking. Wonder what some wheel builders think about those.
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Originally Posted by juggleaddict
I built up some wheels with Alex Adventurer rims. I did the trans am this summer with them and gave them a good beating on some forest service roads. : ) No issues. They are 26".

cyccomute, what the heck is a "quad butted" spoke? Triple makes since Thick-thin-sort-of-thick... there's really 4 different thicknesses? Why?

edit: ... looked it up... that's silly looking. Wonder what some wheel builders think about those.
The quad might be a bit over the top but they would fit tighter in the hub and would be stronger. The only issue might be getting them to fit. Then again, it might be like triple bladed razors vs quad bladed razors. How many blade is too many?

Edit: Wow! I looked at the Pillar site and they have some good information on the spoke strength. I've not seen anything like it with other spokes before. It's interesting what a few 0.1 mm of steel will do. The double butted spokes with a 2.0mm head have a breaking strength of 1415 kgf. A triple butted spoke with a 2.2mm head has a breaking strength of 2016 kgf. Going to a 2.4mm head takes the breaking strength to 4270 kgf and the 2.5mm head takes the breaking strength to a whopping 5380 kgf.

I suspect that other spokes have a similar strength gain for a similar diameter increase. I knew that the triple butted spokes were stronger but it's nice to have comfirmation. Now if only I could find a source for the quads.
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I have decided on the Velocity Aeroheats and Deore LX hubs. Plan to order today!
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Originally Posted by Tandem Tom
I have decided on the Velocity Aeroheats and Deore LX hubs. Plan to order today!
Looks like the 26 inch version of the Dyad. In any case, I saw some on various sites with the Handspun brand name.
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Originally Posted by hybridbkrdr
Looks like the 26 inch version of the Dyad. In any case, I saw some on various sites with the Handspun brand name.
The Aeroheat uses the same extrusion as the Dyad, just in a 26" rolling. Handspun is QBP's wheel building house, and they do sell our rims on various hubs. We also have The Wheel Department here. You can have hubs drop shipped to us and built to your rim of choice, or any of our hubs.
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