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Old 10-20-13, 05:51 PM
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Welcoming Myself To The Touring Forum!

Hello all! Long time forum-person, first time Touring Poster. Been riding a bike on and off for years, never more than 500 miles a year tops. Hit 300lbs this past Thanksgiving and I got control of my nutrition. This Spring started to bike frequently to include commuting to work here and there. Completed a 100k ride on July 4th and a very very very painful 100 mile ride on October 5th of this year. I like to kayak (recreational style), hike, camp and hunt. I've camped out my kayak, camped while hiking (backpack, etc) and we do a family camp (state park) here and there.

My friend and I have been discussing doing some camping from our bikes. I have also started to think about doing a 200 mile outing, either in one day (probably not likely) or over three days with legs of 75, 75 and 50 miles. Someone suggest that I am either doing "Long Distance" or "Touring" and since I think it is more likely that I'll do it over three days and I'm interested in bike camping anyways that "Touring" was the place for me to be.

Right now I'm right at 230lbs and trending down. By the time Spring rolls around I'll be at whatever weight (BMI, whatever) my body should be at. Most likely it will be between 200-210lbs. I am 6'2" and ride a Cannondale Quick 5 with a Jumbo size frame, no idea what that is in cm though I feel it probably a 59cm. As I am trying to get out for more 100k's I may end up getting a road or endurance type bike late summer/early fall of next year.

Last year I purchased a Burley Travoy to help with commuting and my loaded backpack sits on it very well. My current plan is to use it for touring unless I find out a reason to not do so.

For the most part my fun goal of doing 200 miles over three days and to have fun doing other small weekend camping will require that I adequately train for it so that is is actually "fun" and not a painful experience.

I look forward to interacting on gear, getting in shape for touring, this, that and the other.

My bike & Travoy.

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Welcome... don't see why it wouldn't work. I tour on a wide variety of bikes ranging from 3 speed 20" wheeled folders to fully equipped tour bikes. To me the tour is less about the equipment and more about the trip and what I get to see and do. Check into doing S24O's (Sub 24hour tours). You load up and ride out somewhere, spend the night and ride back the next day. I have done a few with 20 miles out and 45 miles back. My typically daily mileage is on the low side, but I can keep it up for days on end.

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Welcome to the forum. I am going to suggest something that others may reject... Don't worry about the miles per day, enjoy the scenery.

You are not that far away from the C&O. You can come over and see about bicycle camping, but I would not suggest the rig you have. This is panniers or single wheel trailers only.
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Originally Posted by RWBlue01 View Post
Welcome to the forum. I am going to suggest something that others may reject... Don't worry about the miles per day, enjoy the scenery.

You are not that far away from the C&O. You can come over and see about bicycle camping, but I would not suggest the rig you have. This is panniers or single wheel trailers only.
What is the C&O?
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Welcome... don't see why it wouldn't work. I tour on a wide variety of bikes ranging from 3 speed 20" wheeled folders to fully equipped tour bikes. To me the tour is less about the equipment and more about the trip and what I get to see and do. Check into doing S24O's (Sub 24hour tours). You load up and ride out somewhere, spend the night and ride back the next day. I have done a few with 20 miles out and 45 miles back. My typically daily mileage is on the low side, but I can keep it up for days on end.

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I am certainly going to be doing some of those shorter trips to make sure I have everything set before going on a longer one. Though there are differences for sure I do have a my experience backpack camping to fall back on which helps me in that I have added of subtracted some items already, lightened this or that up, etc. Never done it off a bike though so that will add a twist.
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What is the C&O?
He's referring to the C&0 Canal Path, which runs between Cumberland, MD and D.C. It's not paved and there is a hump in the middle of it for some of the way which can cause trouble for two-wheeled trailers. At Cumberland, the C&O connects with the Great Allegheny Passage (the "GAP"), which is a mosytly unpaved trail with a northern terminus in Pittsburgh.

Burly bills that as an "urban trailor." No sure I would want to go flying down some steep, bumpy mountain pass with that thing loaded with gear behind me.
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He's referring to the C&0 Canal Path, which runs between Cumberland, MD and D.C. It's not paved and there is a hump in the middle of it for some of the way which can cause trouble for two-wheeled trailers. At Cumberland, the C&O connects with the Great Allegheny Passage (the "GAP"), which is a mosytly unpaved trail with a northern terminus in Pittsburgh.

Burly bills that as an "urban trailor." No sure I would want to go flying down some steep, bumpy mountain pass with that thing loaded with gear behind me.
Thanks for the info.

I do agree that the Travoy is best suited for smother roads. It does handle bumps very well and a rough road doesn't bother it much but the steep and bumpy mountain pass that you mentioned may not work out very well. I do like it and generally don't notice it back there.
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I am certainly going to be doing some of those shorter trips to make sure I have everything set before going on a longer one. Though there are differences for sure I do have a my experience backpack camping to fall back on which helps me in that I have added of subtracted some items already, lightened this or that up, etc. Never done it off a bike though so that will add a twist.
Coming from a backpacking background is a huge plus, you understand the concept of necessity versus weight. Also a lot of the gear is interchangeable.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
Coming from a backpacking background is a huge plus, you understand the concept of necessity versus weight. Also a lot of the gear is interchangeable.

Aaron
Plus I'm a hammock camper which means I'm able to go lighter without the expense of ultra-light tents, etc. It all counts on weight when doing those things. And for now and including a few years from now the distance I am talking about will be long for me.
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Welcome to touring! You're hanging out with a tough crowd here.
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Welcome to touring! You're hanging out with a tough crowd here.
Must go through initiation rites before officially welcome.
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Welcome to touring! You're hanging out with a tough crowd here.
I may have to go do some workouts in the meat locker to work myself up to standard.
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Must go through initiation rites before officially welcome.
Is there a list? Or will they just "happen"?
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Is there a list? Or will they just "happen"?
Need to be able to explain the difference between light, ultralight, super ultralight, extreme ultralight and ultra ultralight touring. When you figure it out, let us know.
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Is there a list? Or will they just "happen"?
Start a thread about stoves and assert that one fuel type is far superior to all others.
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Need to be able to explain the difference between light, ultralight, super ultralight, extreme ultralight and ultra ultralight touring. When you figure it out, let us know.
The difference is "They are all too heavy". I go with quantum ultralight.
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Start a thread about stoves and assert that one fuel type is far superior to all others.
Which of course there is one. And that is the one I'm currently using, else why would I use it? And when I change THAT one will be superior else why would I change to it otherwise?
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Today I started to practice a bit for a tour. I use my Burley Travoy (picture in first post of this thread) for commuting and plan on using it for touring, or at least trying to. Today I commuted into work with my backpack on the Travoy. All I had in the backpack was my laptop and work stuff as I already had changes of clothing at work. On Friday I will fully load my pack and again put it on the Travoy and commute both ways into work. I'll take the 14.5 mile route both ways.

This gives me a bit of practice pulling a full load. Even though it is just about 29 miles for a day it is still some miles. In two weekends I may do an overnighter at a local campground as my wife is heading out of town on a shopping trip with some of her girl buddies.
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hello ya'll! I'm new to the touring thread too! Hope to take my bike to the steep hills one day! soon, i believe!
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Must go through initiation rites before officially welcome.
It is not just to be welcome, it is a training event. Try to get some over night riding trips in before you go for anything longer. There is nothing like planning on going from A to B to C and at B realizing that you are spent and will not be making it to C until long after dark.
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It is not just to be welcome, it is a training event. Try to get some over night riding trips in before you go for anything longer. There is nothing like planning on going from A to B to C and at B realizing that you are spent and will not be making it to C until long after dark.
I certainly plan on doing that. Might do one next weekend if things work out. Just 25 miles there, overnight, and 25 miles back. Certainly doable and if failure occurs I can recover easily.
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I read your post and then skipped the rest so I could post

first awesome work on the weight loss

as for a few day long tour/camping trip take a look here

http://www.railstotrails.org/resourc...2013_fall.html

page 10... it appears that they are working on rails-to-trails from cincinati to cleveland... 320 miles... I saw this just the other day... an old friend of mine and I are going on a tour on a rails to trails that crosses a good bit of MO... when I saw the cinci to clevland I sent him the link... he's not fond of riding on the road to much so it would be one we're looking at... not to mention we are both originally from MI... also if I worked it out right I could use it as an excuse to visit Cedar point lol...

so anyway just something to look into for ya... seems like it could be a great route for ya
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I read your post and then skipped the rest so I could post

first awesome work on the weight loss

as for a few day long tour/camping trip take a look here

http://www.railstotrails.org/resourc...2013_fall.html

page 10... it appears that they are working on rails-to-trails from cincinati to cleveland... 320 miles... I saw this just the other day... an old friend of mine and I are going on a tour on a rails to trails that crosses a good bit of MO... when I saw the cinci to clevland I sent him the link... he's not fond of riding on the road to much so it would be one we're looking at... not to mention we are both originally from MI... also if I worked it out right I could use it as an excuse to visit Cedar point lol...

so anyway just something to look into for ya... seems like it could be a great route for ya
That would be a nice extended tour for certain! I've already been on the part that is above Xenia all the way down into Cinci. I don't know how many days that would take me but I can see doing 2-3 days at a time to finish what I've not been on. My buddy and I kayaked an entire river that way, just 2-3 days at a time as we could.

Thanks for the point! If you ever ride that trail maybe I and another can do a section with you.
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I tell this story often enough, and never get any response, as if people recognize this as a possibility. I have no special cycling background, haven't commuted in 20 years. in 2005, I decided on short notice to do a two week tour. I had done no training, and I was about 75 pounds overweight. Five years previous I had lost the kneecap in my right leg, and shattered both ankles so that now the right foot sits half off the pedal. I just went out, did about 40 miles each of the first two days, about half day riding each. Then did 90 the third, and from that point on I did around that number depending on the conditions. I was riding a touring bike with about 40-60 in the panniers (the bags themselves weigh quite a bit, there is water, and food, etc... It was what I call ultralight plus. I had about 9 pounds in backpacking gear, but one needs extras for the bike, food, water, and winter clothes in my case).

Point is. If you have 16 hours a day you could be on the bike, 80 miles turns out to be 5 miles per hour. In fact I average about 10 made good, with the most common number on my tach being 14, which gets averaged down to 10. So long as you don't sustain an injury, it is basically an easy 8 hour day. Of course it can be very strenuous, but it really isn't a big deal. The cycling part is basically sitting down, the camping part is basically lying down. If you pick a not terribly hilly trip (key is how steep, long uphills or downhill are pretty easy, and normally more scenic. It is the brutal hills that kill, or wind. So basically it is all a doddle if you can pick the terrain.
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I tell this story often enough, and never get any response, as if people recognize this as a possibility. I have no special cycling background, haven't commuted in 20 years. in 2005, I decided on short notice to do a two week tour. I had done no training, and I was about 75 pounds overweight. Five years previous I had lost the kneecap in my right leg, and shattered both ankles so that now the right foot sits half off the pedal. I just went out, did about 40 miles each of the first two days, about half day riding each. Then did 90 the third, and from that point on I did around that number depending on the conditions. I was riding a touring bike with about 40-60 in the panniers (the bags themselves weigh quite a bit, there is water, and food, etc... It was what I call ultralight plus. I had about 9 pounds in backpacking gear, but one needs extras for the bike, food, water, and winter clothes in my case).

Point is. If you have 16 hours a day you could be on the bike, 80 miles turns out to be 5 miles per hour. In fact I average about 10 made good, with the most common number on my tach being 14, which gets averaged down to 10. So long as you don't sustain an injury, it is basically an easy 8 hour day. Of course it can be very strenuous, but it really isn't a big deal. The cycling part is basically sitting down, the camping part is basically lying down. If you pick a not terribly hilly trip (key is how steep, long uphills or downhill are pretty easy, and normally more scenic. It is the brutal hills that kill, or wind. So basically it is all a doddle if you can pick the terrain.
OK, I will be the first, you are abnormal. Most people who are 75#s over weight don't just get on a bike and crank out 40 miles and then another 40 miles. Read the Clydesdale forum.
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