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Old 12-14-13, 11:48 AM
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I'm looking for ideas and specs on power systems for touring to keep batteries and devices charged.
I'm hoping for a minimum of 15 watts, hoping for up to 30. Nothing like a little overkill to be on the safe side and I wouldn't mind being able to juice up a laptop on the fly.
Post pics and a little description of your genius contraptions.
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Dont know enough about electrickery to comment on your desired 15 watts.

My combo is a Son28 disk-braked dynohub with an E-werk
https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/ewerk.asp
and cache battery.
This does my lights, GPS (Edge 800) and cell phone.

I've just built up a second Son28 wheel for an Extra-wheel trailer
https://www.biketrailershop.com/extra...er-p-1377.html

I'm going to be looking for a set up to charge a supposedly 23,000mAh storage battery like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-I2z7G8FI4

I currently exploring ways to charge the MP-S23,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-I2z7G8FI4
using the trailers Son28.
I may need a step up unit due to an E-werk only reaching 13.3 volts and the battery suggesting it needs 15 volts to charge.

So yeah, the trialer will be for charging my Mackbook Air and camera gear as well as hauling two ten liter Ortlieb water bags.
Thats the plan so far anyway.

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RE your desired 15 watts

Read something relevant on the Peter While site linked above:

"A small stylus that is housed at the bottom of E-WERK is used for adjusting two turning knobs controlling voltage (2.8 to 13.3 V) and current (0.1 to 1,5 A) quickly and variably for all the usual applications. E-WERK provides power of up to 16 W, and all that with idle losses of only 0.03 W at 30 km/h! At a speed of 15 km/h, E-WERK already charges as fast as a standard mains connected charger."

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Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
Dont know enough about electrickery to comment on your desired 15 watts.

My combo is a Son28 disk-braked dynohub with an E-werk
https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/ewerk.asp
and cache battery.
This does my lights, GPS (Edge 800) and cell phone.

I've just built up a second Son28 wheel for an Extra-wheel trailer
https://www.biketrailershop.com/extra...er-p-1377.html

I'm going to be looking for a set up to charge a supposedly 23,000mAh storage battery like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-I2z7G8FI4

I currently exploring ways to charge the MP-S23,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-I2z7G8FI4
using the trailers Son28.
I may need a step up unit due to an E-werk only reaching 13.3 volts and the battery suggesting it needs 15 volts to charge.

So yeah, the trialer will be for charging my Mackbook Air and camera gear as well as hauling two ten liter Ortlieb water bags.
Thats the plan so far anyway.

Edit:
RE your desired 15 watts

Read something relevant on the Peter While site linked above:

"A small stylus that is housed at the bottom of E-WERK is used for adjusting two turning knobs controlling voltage (2.8 to 13.3 V) and current (0.1 to 1,5 A) quickly and variably for all the usual applications. E-WERK provides power of up to 16 W, and all that with idle losses of only 0.03 W at 30 km/h! At a speed of 15 km/h, E-WERK already charges as fast as a standard mains connected charger."
Note to self: Get into the overpriced electronic gadget business.

Curious to see how well real performance compares to as advertised.
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Old 12-15-13, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur View Post
Note to self: Get into the overpriced electronic gadget business.

Curious to see how well real performance compares to as advertised.
Hi Pedaleur,
Here in Aus. there can be many days between both towns and water.
When I do stay at a campground the last thing I want to do is spend hours in the laundry or bathroom watching my phone and/or gps charge.
Honestly, lifes way to short to be doing this and I'd gladly pay double my expenditure not to have to.
Once plugged in, you cant walk away or they will likely get stolen and its kinda nasty sitting around in the mens bathroom for long periods.
Like I said, I'd gladly pay double for my E-werk as it just works and I've not had to use a wall socket for those two items since I made my investment.

Another pet peeve is trying to find a safe spot to park my bike and trailer in order to get some internet access. On my last tour across Australia I was regularly warned by librarians not to risk leaving my bike as they are often targeted outside libraries.
My macbook, unlike an iPad, wont charge via USB, hence my buying the large battery (MP-S23,000).
I'm still looking at options to charge my camera.

My last tour was months long in duration and encompassed east to west Australia.
Whats your solution?

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Old 12-15-13, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
I'm still looking at options to charge my camera.
15 W is a LOT of power (for a bicycle) -- I think you will find that quite challenging, but I'll be interested to see what you come up with.

I've found it it pretty easy to store enough energy throughout a day of riding to meet my phone, camera and iPad needs using just a single hub dynamo, but that's at a rate of just a few watts. I charge a cache battery throughout the day and then use that to charge my devices, as needed, at night. The nice thing about sticking with USB, of course, is that keeps everything to a standard 5 V.

Anyway, regarding your camera batteries, you may find a Lenmar Clip Charger to be workable, depending on your battery type (it's quite versatile). That's what I've used, and it works well. Here's a brief writeup, if interested:

https://hpscott.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/ewerk/
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Old 12-15-13, 11:30 AM
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Voltaic has both a larger 18watt panel and three small 6w panels (buying three of the small ones are the same price as the larger one, so it doesn't really matter.

Or, if you have the room and the money, you can buy six small ones or two big ones, or go with Brunton (which is much dearer still) for the solar panels.
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Personally, I was looking into a goal zero system.
They have the boulder 15, shirpa 50 battery pack with all the connectors and an inverter option and the guide 10 charger for 4 AA or AAA batteries at a time.
The panel is a little big, but I have a BOB trailer I could strap it to, something like this guys rig, which actually looks like the 30 watt panel I've been eyeballing at canadian tire.

The guide 10 is a question though, Crazy guy on a bike says it has troubles charging batteries to full power.
If I could find some good 'be seen' lights that charge internal batteries via solar that would be sweet too, then I could skip the charger. I'm mostly a day rider anyway.
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I fear you may find that the practical reality of using dynamo hubs and solar chargers far under performs theory. The real world is full of hills that reduce average speeds and so generator output, and clouds that reduce solar power yields. Big batteries work pretty well though. Using a cache battery powered by my Dynamo hub I am able to keep my Garmin Edge 810 charged, and can top off my Smartphone too. I will also use it to add some juice to my iPad as needed. Off course, when mains power is available I jump on it. I see no way to conveniently get to the kinds of amperage mentioned by the OP, and so the laptop will need mains power.

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Old 12-15-13, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
Dont know enough about electrickery to comment on your desired 15 watts.


I am with Rifraf on this aspect, however I currently use a PedalPower+ Super-i-Cable and have an eWerk on standby to play with. I have toured with my Apple iPad 2, phone and Garmin Edge 800 (now 810) and wrote up my experience in a blog post. Might be worth a read.

For me this turned out to be the pretty much the ideal setup. Sure I did not have the full functionality of a personal computer but then I really didnít need one of the tour anyway. The combination of the Apple iPad 2 and the Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard cover worked a treat for me. I didnít have any issues with the iPad or the keyboard and I found the keyboard battery lasted the 40 days I was out touring.

In terms of battery life I found that I tended to write up my notes for the day using IA Writer and to back-up my photos to the iPad. These two activities used approximately 5% of the iPad battery each night. So in theory I had around 20 days of usage of the iPad without a charge. I didnít need to test this as I was able to charge up at various caravan parks on the tour. I also had the option of using my PedalPower+ Super-i-Cable which thankfully I didnít need to use as it actually had some issues which limited its functionally. That said at home testing showed it did charge the iPad even though the iPad indicated it was not charging.

I found I could easily use the iPad/Logitich Ultrathin Keyboard combination quite comfortably in the tent and of course at a picnic table should such luxury be available. Keep in mind but I was not writing a book, but for my usage it worked fine.

The Apple iPad Camera Connector Kit worked a treat allowing me to read both the card in the camera (I backed up my photos to the iPad) and the card from Garmin Edge 800 which in-turn allowed me to upload my ride data to Strava. I had planned to upload my data to Garmin Connect as well but decided that Strava was sufficient whilst out touring.

The XtremeMac Incharge Home Plus USB proved invaluable given the issues with the PedalPower+ Super-i-Cable. I actually could have done with two of these plugs as one plug can only charge two USB devices at a time. My camera, the iPad, the Telstra Elite MF60 modem and my phone a Samsung Galaxy S 2 where all demanding time plugged into the XtremeMac Incharge Home Plus.

The Telstra Pre-Paid Elite MF60 modem worked well and as it is physically independent of the iPad it could be fore example charged whilst I used the iPad. Its only downside is that it is power hungry device, using up its battery within about two hours.

Finally on the hardware front the Belkin Honeycomb Clamshell Case worked well providing protection to the iPad and the various cables and the modem whilst carried on the bike. I carried it one of my Ortlieb Bike-Packer Plus panniers mounted on the Extrawheel Voyager.

On the software front I didnít use Photogene or iCab. I found that the Photo application that came with the iPad sufficient for my needs and I was able to write-up my offline journal notes and to update my journal at Crazy Guy on a Bike (CGAOB) without any dramas; I would go as far as saying that I found the dire warnings at CGAOB well and truly over the top.

So in summary this setup worked a treat for me and I will continue to use it on future tours.
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Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
Whats your solution?
Oh, I'm not saying you've chosen the wrong solution, just that the electronics have a long way to go down in price -- Peter White's site had the battery for, what, $95? For a battery? Yikes!

Alternatives:

- Batteries and charger. My guess is that on these systems, one ends up charging the storage battery on the mains a lot -- happy to be wrong there -- but for less than a tenth of the price, you could buy a bunch of NiMH's and a charger. Less likely to walk off.
- DIY. My prefered route -- won't save anything if you take my time into account.
- ???
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur View Post
Oh, I'm not saying you've chosen the wrong solution, just that the electronics have a long way to go down in price -- Peter White's site had the battery for, what, $95? For a battery? Yikes!

Alternatives:

- Batteries and charger. My guess is that on these systems, one ends up charging the storage battery on the mains a lot -- happy to be wrong there -- but for less than a tenth of the price, you could buy a bunch of NiMH's and a charger. Less likely to walk off.
- DIY. My prefered route -- won't save anything if you take my time into account.
- ???
Expensive correct, but the alternative is carrying a half ton of batteries if you're making plans to be out of contact with civilisation for a few days to a week.
DIY is a great option, I've considered hacking things together, but some of us aren't electronics gurus and would probably end up frying every piece of technology we hooked into it.
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Google "Digital Treasures Power Flask 13,000 mAH Charger" It will probably charge your cell phone 10 times before it needs charging. Cell phone batteries are in the range of 800-1400 mAH. I saw it for as low as $60. I one isn't enough, buy two. Gotta' be easier and cheaper than hub generators or mini mini solar panels.[h=1][/h]
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There is an informative discussion at the Australian Cycling Forums which may be worth a read. Whilst I have a PedalPower+ Super-i-Cable I also have a Busch & Muller e-Werk which I am seriously considering matching up with a Power Traveller Minigorilla battery.

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Cool setups!
Can anyone comment on how "the Plug" compares to these setups?

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I"ll try to remember to get you a better pic in the next day or two.
You may be able to make out the E-werk above the Edelux headlight (situated on a v-brake mount) in front of the head-tube.
The cache battery is mounted behind the head-tube above the water bottle on the frames down-tube.
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I"ll try to remember to get you a better pic in the next day or two.
The bike is looking great! We must catch-up so I can have a look at it Maybe time for a ride north.

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Hi Andrew,
Thanks - glad you like it.
Still a couple of minor wrinkles I'm ironing out.
I'll send you a PM next time I'm planning a trip to Freo.
Currently contemplating a requests to assist a friend having a hip operation in Adelaide.
Thinking about taking the train so I wouldn't have to dismantle the bike.
Not sure I want to be sitting down for 3 or so days though.
I dont have enough time to ride the distance there between now and their operation day unfortunately.

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Hi Andrew,
Thanks - glad you like it.
Still a couple of minor wrinkles I'm ironing out.
I'll send you a PM next time I'm planning a trip to Freo.
Currently contemplating a requests to assist a friend having a hip operation in Adelaide.
Thinking about taking the train so I wouldn't have to dismantle the bike.
Not sure I want to be sitting down for 3 or so days though.
I dont have enough time to ride the distance there between now and their operation day unfortunately.
Sounds good or I might come your way

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