Is there a production bike with proper touring gears?
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Is there a production bike with proper touring gears?
For the life of me, I cannot find a production bike already set up with hill climbing gears. I have checked Surly LHT, Trek 520, Raleigh Sojourn, Jamis Aurora, etc...
Am I looking in the wrong spot?
Am I looking in the wrong spot?
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If you buy from an LBS they should swap out what you want with little to no charge. Just talk to them. I am looking at the Aurora too and gear change is on my list.
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What exactly are you looking for? 36 is the largest in the rear. How small are shooting for in the front?
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Novara Safari goes 22"-119". Still money left over to upgrade what you want.
....oops just checked....the lht goes 21" to 119"......
....oops just checked....the lht goes 21" to 119"......
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You must have special needs if a 21"-112" gear range doesn't work. What Zactly do you mean by "proper"?
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I concur. Ask the bike store to swap the stock gears for the cassette and/or chainrings you want. But watch out for non-touring staff. At two different bike stores, the salesperson or bike mechanic told me that the gearing I wanted was impractical or not useful. "Nobody needs gears that low... You won't be able to pedal fast enough to stay upright... Just stand on the pedals when you get to a hill, etc. etc."
My lowest gear is 16 inches, and I use it regularly. I have also had 19 inches, which was OK, but not nearly as nice when climbing, fully loaded, on 15% grade hills!
My lowest gear is 16 inches, and I use it regularly. I have also had 19 inches, which was OK, but not nearly as nice when climbing, fully loaded, on 15% grade hills!
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REI's Novara Randonee-- It comes the closest with a 44/32/22 crank and an 11-32 10 speed cassette. The 11-32 can easily be swapped for an 11-34, which will give you a 17 inch low.
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Ridgeback Expedition comes with what I would call touring gears, 36 at the rear and 28 on the front triple. I think you might be making a compromise though. I would look for the right bike in terms of frame and wheels first and then fit the right gears to it.
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All dedicated touring bikes come with gears that work well for at least some tourists. If you need lower yet, it is easy enough to swap out either the cassette, chain rings, or the whole crank.
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And do lot's of hill climbing practice, of the "pedal till you puke!" variety, on the theory that, if you can't get the gears to match your motor, upgrade your motor to match your gears...
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I appreciate the heads up.
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Doug64....this is perfect. I was looking at the Safari because I like the trekking handlebar, but passed by the Randonee. The stock GI comes out to 18.56" on the low side and a 108" on the high end. Plenty of range. Sounds like the only mod I might want to do is the handlebar and shifter / brake set up.
I appreciate the heads up.
I appreciate the heads up.
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Or a 20 tooth gear......Supposedly only a 22 will work...Not true.
It is not a direct bolt on but it is not hard to install if you can use a file or die grinder.
It is not a direct bolt on but it is not hard to install if you can use a file or die grinder.
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Kona Sutra.
26/36/48 with a rear 11-32 9 spd., so 22 gear inches at the low, 117 at the high. That's close enough to the 20 - 100 ideal I've followed.
Easily lowered a bit with a 24 in the front as well.
26/36/48 with a rear 11-32 9 spd., so 22 gear inches at the low, 117 at the high. That's close enough to the 20 - 100 ideal I've followed.
Easily lowered a bit with a 24 in the front as well.
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Unless there's a physical disability involved, or an extreme load, this is my approach as well. I live near some decent climbs this is pretty easy for me. The optimal gearing should match the rider and the load, is usually easy enough to change, and is different for everyone.
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Unless there's a physical disability involved, or an extreme load, this is my approach as well. I live near some decent climbs this is pretty easy for me. The optimal gearing should match the rider and the load, is usually easy enough to change, and is different for everyone.
Just for grins last night on the way home, hauling the usual 50-60 pounds in the four panniers, I really got up on the cranks in top gear on a long downslope....... WOW!!
...I can live with a 90" top end.
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My girlfriend has a Safari, damn thing weighs a ton. She hates it. They must have changed the gearing, because before she stopped riding it, I was going to change out the smallest chainring for a 22T. I believe it came with a 26T, but this would be three years ago's model. The one she got still had the bigger rack for disc brakes and all the brazeons and hubs for disc brakes, but came with V-brakes. Part of the reason it's so heavy, but only part. Hopefully they've changed that in the newer versions. A year or two before hers they were coming with discs. Hopefully they changed the color from turd brown too!
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Parts is Parts , dont like the stock, out of the shipping carton gearing? change it.
The triple cranks that the assembly factories fit, are what the component factory ships.
often the 3rd ring is a (X), the dealer is always capable of removing the crank
and replacing that 1 piece with a smaller sized lower tooth count chainring ..
you just have to ask .
the big multi brand factory gets a contract for the components gets what is best price from the supplier.
as specified by the product manager at the Brand Jamis importing distributor.
then you just change the chainrings and perhaps the rear gear cluster (a cassette, I expect)
maybe zero Just needs to get a lighter bike for the GF, and carry a larger % of the gear on his bike .
heavy frame material choices is part of handling the load on the touring bike, by design..
The triple cranks that the assembly factories fit, are what the component factory ships.
often the 3rd ring is a (X), the dealer is always capable of removing the crank
and replacing that 1 piece with a smaller sized lower tooth count chainring ..
you just have to ask .
the big multi brand factory gets a contract for the components gets what is best price from the supplier.
as specified by the product manager at the Brand Jamis importing distributor.
then you just change the chainrings and perhaps the rear gear cluster (a cassette, I expect)
maybe zero Just needs to get a lighter bike for the GF, and carry a larger % of the gear on his bike .
heavy frame material choices is part of handling the load on the touring bike, by design..
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If you like the chain sideplates riding on the crank post and chainring bolts,it's a direct bolt-on.Same with ANY 20 tooth.
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Nope. Chain doesn't ride on the chainring bolts. It's close but they don't touch. I have one mounted on a couple of bikes.
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IME, 21GI-80GI is more than adequate for just about any terrain and any performance level.
save some money and simplify matters... get a double up front.
save some money and simplify matters... get a double up front.
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My girlfriend has a Safari, damn thing weighs a ton. She hates it. They must have changed the gearing, because before she stopped riding it, I was going to change out the smallest chainring for a 22T. I believe it came with a 26T, but this would be three years ago's model. The one she got still had the bigger rack for disc brakes and all the brazeons and hubs for disc brakes, but came with V-brakes. Part of the reason it's so heavy, but only part. Hopefully they've changed that in the newer versions. A year or two before hers they were coming with discs. Hopefully they changed the color from turd brown too!
biggest cycling mistake of my life. so heavy it took all the enjoyment out of touring. i left it in my mother's garage and, god love her, she had the good sense to toss it out after a couple of years.
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I've had my Surly LHTD for a short period of time but I've found the lowest gear with the chain on the middle sprocket up front is so low I can't maintain enough speed to keep the bike upright! Geeze Louise! If it ever accidently gets shifted over to the small sprocket whatt'm I gonna do?! (Yeah, I'm a rank amateur and it shows!)
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