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Old 03-25-14, 04:35 PM
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Kona Sutra 2014

My wife likes this bike can anyone provide pros or cons? Looking for a real world review.
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Another Taiwan contract bike , so as good as any others a Bike Shop would carry.

the Pro is, if the component pick is not exactly what you want, dealer will change things for you
and charge some for the upgrade and credit you for what the other piece may cost them

to get from their distributor. since they can use it for future repairs
or resell the take-off parts.

the Con may be you dont really know what you need .. what are your touring plans ?
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Light touring or weekend touring is what it will be used for. Looking for a strong reliable bike with disc brakes that will not fall apart from normal use.

May need to consider Disc trucker as I believe it has higher components.....agree?
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Whats the pricing like? I rode a 13 model and it seemed capable. I just looked at the component list and some of the stuff is really low end. The Hayes brakes are a real pain in the ass to adjust and keep adjusted. The racks are nice touch and a cost savings. If it's under a $1000 and it fits her i'd go for it. The brakes can be replaced at another time. The bike does at least have Deore hubs and shift system so not everything needs to be replaced day one. You might find that for the type/frequency of touring you end up doing this bike hits the price point.
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Whats the pricing like? I rode a 13 model and it seemed capable. I just looked at the component list and some of the stuff is really low end. The Hayes brakes are a real pain in the ass to adjust and keep adjusted. The racks are nice touch and a cost savings. If it's under a $1000 and it fits her i'd go for it. The brakes can be replaced at another time. The bike does at least have Deore hubs and shift system so not everything needs to be replaced day one. You might find that for the type/frequency of touring you end up doing this bike hits the price point.
Great info! From the Kona website the est price for this bike is around $1500. Honestly, I would spend $10K if she found a bike she liked! I do not know difference between quality levels but if you say this bike uses low end components I would not want to purchase it.
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I have a Sutra, as does my wife. Ours are the '11 and '12 models I believe.

Aside from the bike being relatively heavy (mine is 35 pounds with my tool bag, racks, fenders, and bottle cages on it), it's a wonderful ride. I did Eugene to San Francisco on mine last year, and it's become my commuter (on account of the fenders and racks).

I paid $1000 for mine used (in Canada), but I found my wife's on eBay used for $380 (in the US, in the middle of winter); both were very lightly used.

We've both been extremely happy with our bikes.
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It's an average-ish bike. It doesn't mention spoke count or the wheels, but I counted 36. Good. The CoMotion Americano or Pangea would be my first choices if money wasn't a problem. If you can't justify the 4grand, then the Disc Trucker would be a great choice. I would of course recommend a Trek 520 (that's what I have) but they don't come with disc brakes. Depending on the component level she is at currently, and whether or not she needs the upgrade would determine how much I'd be willing to spend- BUT! A happy wife is a happy life. You can research and suggest, but it's her decision.
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May need to consider Disc trucker as I believe it has higher components.....agree?
if its just a couple component picks, made by the company Product manager,
that matter so much to you, change that component.

maybe the chainstay length added on the LHT,D would make the rack bag heel clearance thing work better .

Lurch , Addams Family butler, played by Ted Cassidy, was tall, At 6 ft 9 in
so would have big feet.

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Originally Posted by LuckySailor
It's an average-ish bike. It doesn't mention spoke count or the wheels, but I counted 36. Good. The CoMotion Americano or Pangea would be my first choices if money wasn't a problem. If you can't justify the 4grand, then the Disc Trucker would be a great choice. I would of course recommend a Trek 520 (that's what I have) but they don't come with disc brakes. Depending on the component level she is at currently, and whether or not she needs the upgrade would determine how much I'd be willing to spend- BUT! A happy wife is a happy life. You can research and suggest, but it's her decision.
My wife currently has a hybrid bike that she does not like. She would love to have the family go on weekend tours and she is concerned about her current bike. I am trying to narrow down the list of touring bikes for her so she can choose from that list. I let her know about the CoMotion and she said she would feel awful buying that bike as she said we could by her and the two kids a bike at that price.

Great info!
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.My wife currently has a hybrid bike that she does not like
She would love to have the family go on weekend tours and she is concerned about her current bike.
perhaps the setup and fit is the problem , or it just needs a repaint to a color she Prefers

bike for a woman,
Ms Terry makes A WSD Touring bike, the Steel frames are done by Waterford for her company.

90+ % of the bikes come from A handful of giant companies ..TW ROC,
because that was where the many Brand name Companies went

to keep the prices people were willing to pay, down by lowering cost on labor and overhead .

that is where the cost goes .. + component buys by the truckload
just shipped from one side of the Island to the other
cost less for the assembly factories..

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For light touring and disc brakes, you might want to consider the new Surly Straggler:


Straggler | Bikes | Surly Bikes

Surly describes it as a disc version of the Cross Check with some other small differences. However, I am not sure if you convert it to a triple relatively easily like you can with the CC. Surly is very good about answering emails if you want to contact them with questions.
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Originally Posted by lurch0038
Great info! From the Kona website the est price for this bike is around $1500. Honestly, I would spend $10K if she found a bike she liked! I do not know difference between quality levels but if you say this bike uses low end components I would not want to purchase it.
$1500 seems steep to me for what it is. The rims are also very low end and I am not sure if they are 32 or 36 count. Honestly if it fits and she likes it the brakes can be replaced for $300 roughly. Replacing the rim set is a whole other issue. There you are looking at $400-$450 for a good set built up. I know what you mean about paying $10000 if she could find something she likes. My wife is the same way. Good Luck!!
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Originally Posted by lurch0038
My wife currently has a hybrid bike that she does not like. She would love to have the family go on weekend tours and she is concerned about her current bike. I am trying to narrow down the list of touring bikes for her so she can choose from that list. I let her know about the CoMotion and she said she would feel awful buying that bike as she said we could by her and the two kids a bike at that price.

Great info!
The question is does she need or really want a 30 lbs full-blown touring bike. Is she/you planning self supported tours carrying tent/sleeping bag/cook gear, etc... or are you thinking more in the line of either credit card or supported tours ?. Not doing the self supported tour would move you towards a lighter (sport touring type) bike that might be more enjoyable when the hills get steep.

FWIW, a buddy just ordered a Sutra. I looked over all the spec's and it's about as good a choice as any for the money. Pretty much all the production wheels on everybody's factory bikes are potentially an issue down the road, but it's not an issue till it becomes one and is easily rectified with a better set of wheels. Outside of buying a Rivendell, that comes with hand-built wheels, they will all have the same wheel issues long term (if any).
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
The question is does she need or really want a 30 lbs full-blown touring bike. Is she/you planning self supported tours carrying tent/sleeping bag/cook gear, etc... or are you thinking more in the line of either credit card or supported tours ?. Not doing the self supported tour would move you towards a lighter (sport touring type) bike that might be more enjoyable when the hills get steep.

FWIW, a buddy just ordered a Sutra. I looked over all the spec's and it's about as good a choice as any for the money. Pretty much all the production wheels on everybody's factory bikes are potentially an issue down the road, but it's not an issue till it becomes one and is easily rectified with a better set of wheels. Outside of buying a Rivendell, that comes with hand-built wheels, they will all have the same wheel issues long term (if any).
She does not care the type of bike she uses but I want a high quality bike that we can tour with. We will start off on most likely credit card tours and when the kids are off to college in a few years we will go on longer tours.
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Kona Sutra is a very good bicyle for the money, you can find good reviews of it on internet. I have it and it is as good as any of those other more expensive bikes.
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Why discs? What would be wrong with good ole reliable, easy to fix, parts are everywhere, easy to adjust rim brakes?
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I have had my current LHT for 3 years now. At least 2,000 fully loaded miles (I am 200 lbs.+ and don't pack lightly.), including a decent number of unpaved miles, some rough. Many more commuting miles on crappy city streets and sport miles, including 62 miles of D2R2. The Alex Adventurer rims have performed flawlessly. No broken spokes, and they have neve needed truing. I had a 2009 LHT that was stolen. Same stock wheels. I did need one minor truing there as a result of bending the RD hanger, neglecting to get it fixed and then shifting the RD into the spokes. The RD asploded into many pieces after twisting the hanger. The rear wheel was tweaked only a tiny bit.
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Why discs? What would be wrong with good ole reliable, easy to fix, parts are everywhere, easy to adjust rim brakes?
This is a request from my wife as she likes the brakes on my disc trucker.
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Originally Posted by LuckySailor
Why discs? What would be wrong with good ole reliable, easy to fix, parts are everywhere, easy to adjust rim brakes?
+1. The way some people talk, many (if not most) of us should be dead becausee we have been so foolish as to descend steep, wet mountain passes with only rim brakes.
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Test road a Kona Sutra last year. Seemed like a solid bike to me. If she likes the frame but not the brakes, can you see about ordering just a frame building the bike up from there? Might be a bit cheaper.
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Ah! there you have it my friend. A disc trucker for your wife. Easy breezy. Then there's no chance of comparison from her angle. Not that she would but you're nipping that one right away. I'd say the decision is easy. It's a well made, utility, commuter, tourer, weekender just to ride in the park kinda bike.
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Going to look at a disc trucker this weekend
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Kona switched from Avid BB7s to the Hayes disc breaks they have now. Can anyone comment on if this is a downgrade or do they offer similar performance?
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I can only compare Hayes disc brakes to BB5/7 brakes. Frankly the Hayes are prehistoric in design compared to BB5s. BB7 brakes are better yet. Hayes lacks several key adjustabilty factors that are standard on Avids.
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OEM often pick parts for Price too , so the whole bike cost is minimized
to what you are willing to pay .

perhaps SRAM raised their wholesale price, and Hayes cost
allowed them to hold the bike price point.

parts manager is making business decisions ,

want something else , the dealer can change them, and you just make up the difference,

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