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New "Flat-Less" Schwalbe Marathon Plus Tyres for 2014

Old 04-22-14, 10:17 AM
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Is there anything close to a standard methodology for measuring bike tire rolling resistance?

Are there published results from testing the rolling resistance of different tires?
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Old 04-22-14, 10:52 AM
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I wouldn't let it go at that, I vote for a Monty Python cod slap type showdown at dawn, but each with their preferred tires.
(staeph, I think you are done for, especially if he goes with the 1100 gram jobbers)
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Old 04-22-14, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by staehpj1 View Post
Actually I don't buy that, but for the sake of argument assuming that were true... Tires are one of scores or more likely hundreds of choices we make in outfitting the bike and selecting gear. They all add up. So when I see a tire that weighs almost exactly twice what my gatorskins weigh I don't take it lightly. You don't have to choose too many things that are double the weight of another acceptable item to add up to some serious weight. It is really easy to say "oh, that is only x% of total weight, it doesn't matter much", but that approach is the road to a very heavy bike and gear total when you apply it to many decisions.

To be honest the horrible ride feel of the plus is an even bigger deal to me though.

Was that an intentional pun?
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Old 04-22-14, 03:16 PM
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My tire size (27") is being left behind, so I have to take what I can get!
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Old 04-22-14, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Thulsadoom View Post
Was that an intentional pun?
Yes and no. I noticed after I typed it and before hitting the submit button and decided to leave it. So, I was aware of it, but only after I typed it.
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Old 04-22-14, 03:37 PM
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Average in the time not spent on the roadside , going nowhere while you remove the wheel , mend the puncture and put the wheel back in .

when you consider the theoretical energy loss.


Are there published results from testing the rolling resistance of different tires?
vintage bicycle quarterly does tests , https://www.bikequarterly.com/, but their interests are on the higher end.

and the publisher has a retail store to sell some of those . its a paper in the post magazine , not free.

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Old 04-22-14, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
Personally, I think it's way overkill to run a flat-resistant tire with a liner. I'd pick a tire that works for me with nothing else before I'd do that and tires like Gatorskins will work for most everybody without a liner.
I would agree. I bought my liners because I was heading to Colorado and New Mexico where I've had a previous bad experience with thorns. Didn't have any flats this time. Don't know if it was the liner or the tires.
However, I ran over a roofing nail around town that was half embedded. That was definitely the liner that saved me!
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Old 04-22-14, 03:48 PM
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Without getting too scientific here.....

I host touring cyclists (via warmshowers). Most of them are going into Mexico when they leave my place since I live literally on the border. Also they have toured many thousands of miles.

Guess what brand almost all of them swear by? The Schwalbe brand. In fact, earlier this year a cyclist from Italy went almost 200 miles out of his way (by bike) just to pick up a set of the new Schwalbe "flat-less" tires mentioned by the OP of this thread. He had them delivered to my house. After that he headed back to Mexico, then Belize and now to Cuba.

I've hosted cyclists from Canada, Poland, Holland, Switzerland, New Zealand, England, Italy, South Korea, Turkey, Australia and of course the USA.

These people are riding loaded touring bikes and they like the brand because it lasts and has fewer flats. No one talks about weight or rolling resistance. I just hosted a rider from Holland who had a loaded touring bike (Santos) that weighed over 125 lbs (bike and equipment) He has done several tours of over 11,000 miles...and oh yeah he's 62 years old!

Anyway, just my observation, comments, although the original poster might not be interested in fully loaded touring. When my new Surly LHT needs new tires it will be Schwalbe, not sure which model yet.

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Old 04-22-14, 04:26 PM
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Schwalbe has a vast array of touring tires. They introduce some (not always better) and remove others (not always worse). I have used Schwalbe almost exclusively for 47000 miles on my Americano and have been happy with all of them, when I bear in mind whether I have been using them under conditions as designed. If touring on asphalt for a month or less with a combined weight of <180 lbs, Marathon Racers work great. If you're a lot heavier, you start needing Supremes. If touring on gravel or degraded chipseal use Mondials (the supposed replacement for the XR). If you're going into goat head country or where there are lots of wires from shredded radial tires, you're gonna want the Marathon Plus. My 2 cents.

Carrying weight for no reason is silly, but I carry enough that, other than for food and water, I am truly self-contained, no routine reliance on motels, restaurants, libraries, bike shops, and the kindness of strangers. A low weight kit is fine for some very tough, low comfort threshold individuals, but nowhere near enough for me and I would venture for most people who are in vacation mode. When fully loaded my combined weight (not with food or water) is still < 250lbs.
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Good point about the various models, the Mondial 26x2 wire bead is 720g, less heavy than the 1100g honkers, so I'd consider them for a truly expedition y tour with rough gravel rocky areas you might go on, and $50 each. The Supremes 26x1.6 at 440g or 26x2 at 565g look pretty neat for regular road touring with easy gravel roads, not to mention non loaded riding--ive always just found the 90 buck cost...well, a lot (practically the cost of a tire for my car). If I could find Supremes at a lower cost I'd be tempted.
In other words, while I kidded about the real heavy ones, I do see the purpose of great flat protection for some applications, and yes I'm sure all of us would like tires that hardly ever flat if they could combine a reasonable weight and ride feel.

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