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Old 05-04-14, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by djb
Did you take a peek at the thread the Californian teacher lady started about rain gear.
I mentioned a company that .makes reasonably priced stuff, waterproof with zips, but personally have not seen any of it person.
Waterproof Jackets from People Who Really Know Waterproof Jackets!

I understand about budget, perhaps this companies tops and pants are worth a look. My experience certainly finds pitzips a big plus, and rain booties.
I don't know about this company's jackets, but we've had 2 of their helmet covers for 7-8 years. They are well made products.

P.S. Oregonians know about wet weather gear

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Originally Posted by Doug64
This is a great site if you want to get a feel for the weather you will be encountering...
That's an incredibly useful site. Thanks.
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Is it wrong to ask if raingear is an essential item?

I don't have experience bicycle touring (yet) but I thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail last year and probably spent 1/3 of my time walking in the rain. I sent my rain gear home after the first 2 weeks because while the rain didn't go through the gear, my body sweat like no other and I was just as wet. It was high quality gear too. Mountain Hardware I believe.

After sending the rain gear home and just living in the elements, I never regretted it.

Is there something unique to cycling that would make this much different?
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Originally Posted by robertblake60
Is there something unique to cycling that would make this much different?
Wind chill.
Even plootering along a cyclist is creating enough "head wind" for a serious chance of hypothermia if it's not summer in TX. Add in whatever mom nature is blasting you with and gets very wet/cold/miserable very fast.

I carry a packable cycling vest or jacket all winter for day rides having been caught out more than a hour from home when that "chance of showers" becomes rain for real. Not real rain kit but it keeps the chill off. Touring for a few days in the rain I'd have full mudguards & a cycling rain cape.

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Originally Posted by robertblake60
Is it wrong to ask if raingear is an essential item?

I don't have experience bicycle touring (yet) but I thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail last year and probably spent 1/3 of my time walking in the rain. I sent my rain gear home after the first 2 weeks because while the rain didn't go through the gear, my body sweat like no other and I was just as wet. It was high quality gear too. Mountain Hardware I believe.

After sending the rain gear home and just living in the elements, I never regretted it.



Is there something unique to cycling that would make this much different?
What kind of temperatures did you experience on your hike?

I've often ridden without raingear in warm temperatures. But more often I have used my rain jacket as a wind breaker in cooler weather while on tour. I do a lot of riding in 45-60 degree temperatures, in both wet and dry conditions.

The only differences I can come up with are the differences in the activity and the speed. Walking is more of a full body activity than cycling. While walking the arm and shoulders move in addition to the legs, while cycling is primarily leg movement. There is a difference in "real feel" of the temperature when moving at 2-3 mph while walking and travelling at at 12-15 mph while riding. This 10 mph difference can bring the wind chill of a 50 F temperature down about 5 degrees cooler riding than experienced walking. Is 5 degrees important? I don't know; maybe 5 degrees combined with a relatively still upper body is enough for me to wear my jacket. I've also ridden out in the elements for 2-3 months at a time, and I still like to stay dry, especially in temps much below 70 degrees.

The average high daily temperatures in The Netherlands for August range from 68-72 F; combine this with wet conditions, and 10-15 mph winds and a rain jacket adds a lot of comfort to the ride. In a ride across British Columbia, Canada last summer we experienced temperatures ranging from 32 F to 109 F. A lot of the riding in the mornings was in the 35-45 F temperature range, some it in rainy conditions. Wind chill on descents, at 25 mph, would be in the 23 F range. Yes, for me a rain jacket, pant and helmet cover are a necessary part of the kit for any tour. Well, except southern Portugal and Spain in July

A month long tour around Michigan's Lower Peninsula in September and Early October. We had rain only about a third of the days, but we wore our rain jackets almost every day for the month. Once we got in the northern part of the state, the fist 2-3 hours of the day's riding were rather brisk.


Michigan@ 55 F. I'm a firm believer in waterproof.

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You are spot on in you post Doug. I can tell you I get chilled quickly on the bike in the rain even on otherwise fairly warm days. I can say that on warmer days I can go without rain pants without too many issues other han getting a wet butt if I do not have fenders.
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[QUOTE=3speed;16726429]I think I'm either going to go with this Grunden, or this one from planet-x bikes. Which would you go for? I still haven't completely factored out the cape, but I'm leaning toward the jacket unless others here* give advice to go for the cape. I am getting waterproof booties and plan on keeping a shower cap to put over my helmet.

The Grunden is water resistant-no water proof and the planet-x is not in USD, so you'll want to convert the price
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Originally Posted by robertblake60
Is it wrong to ask if raingear is an essential item?

I don't have experience bicycle touring (yet) but I thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail last year and probably spent 1/3 of my time walking in the rain. I sent my rain gear home after the first 2 weeks because while the rain didn't go through the gear, my body sweat like no other and I was just as wet. It was high quality gear too. Mountain Hardware I believe.

After sending the rain gear home and just living in the elements, I never regretted it.

Is there something unique to cycling that would make this much different?
Some sort of rain gear is. Because of the speed, you need to keep the wind off you. Hence a wind jacket and long finger gloves. However a cyclist is usually working harder than a hiker and so it's even easier to stay warm and get super sweaty. I both hike and bike in the rainiest part of the country. I use waterproof rain gear for hiking and windproof gear for biking.

That said, the stronger a rider is, the less likely they are to use any sort of rain gear other than a wind vest, even in the 40s. It's always easy to overload on gear either hiking or biking.

What you need for touring in over 45° F rain: long finger gloves, booties, arm warmers, leg warmers, poly short sleeve undershirt, short sleeve jersey, bike shorts, wind jacket, wind vest, poly skull cap.
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another voice here about getting chilled if wet, I am always surprised how chilled I can get in a somewhat warmish day, but then here sometimes during storms (summer ones) the temp can drop a lot, and especially if you've been getting used to 25-30c temps, when its suddenly 20c 68f or a bit less and rainy, I certainly will get cold if wet.

winnipeg feller, re capes, I may have mentioned this in an earlier rain jacket thread, but I clearly recall using a rain cape on bike when I was a teenager and being so frustrated with the "sail effect". Not something you want with gusting sidewinds, poor visibility and a curvy road with traffic. No wind I imagine they work fine, but those experiences 35 years ago put me off rain capes for good.
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Originally Posted by LuckySailor

The Grunden is water resistant-no water proof and the planet-x is not in USD, so you'll want to convert the price
Are you sure on the Grunden statement? It seems to me like it would be water proof. It says it has a waterproof barrier with a water repellent coating and it has taped seems. And I did see the currency. It'll come to ~$60US. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Hmmmm. I read it closer. Waterproof barrier, water resistant finish, yet it says it's breathable. I call bulls**t. I'm no expert, BUT, can you explain how it can be BOTH water proof, and water resistant? And why would you want both at the same time? Resistant for light moisture conditions, water proof for full out rain. Breathable is a necessity for both instances. For $70 on sale at REI the Novara, as mentioned earlier sounds to be the way to go. Don't like it, take it back. Nice warranty. Spend 3+ hours at REI this past weekend looking at tents, sleeping pads, and sleeping bags. What kinda tent did you get?
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Like I said, it's the DWR surface treatment. water beads up. rather than soaks in..
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Ski Jacket -> Proof
Bike specific Jacket -> Resistant

Pemco insurance ad. "Ski in the rain guy. You are one of us."
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Originally Posted by Bandera
Agree,

In TX a rain jacket is the top of a sauna suit, the cape is much more comfortable & highly effective.
A pic of a British rider w/ classic mudguards & cape getting on with it.

Carradice for me. Excellent quality buy it once & done.

Pro-route cycle cape

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I do have a Carradice Duxback, but the OP wanted something under $50.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I do have a Carradice Duxback, but the OP wanted something under $50.
There have been good suggestions for the budget in this thread but I snagged a Carradice Pro-Route rain cape factory 2nd w/ minor blems (who cares) for <$60US US shipped from Blighty last year. Just what I need in a drought, but it replaces a British rain cape I've had since '76 that gave good service and is way lighter. A piece of kit every 40 years or so is good value and the design works well, the Brits know cycling rain gear.

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snow is a solid, so it lays on top of the fabric, easier to make a water proof thing when the water is a crystalline solid.

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Well, the Grunden should be here on Thursday, and it's still rain season in WI, so I'll update this thread after a few rainy rides in it. It claims breathable, waterproof with taped seams, pit zips, and hood. It also has the velcro cuffs and cinch-able waist. I think as long as it's waterproof, it'll do the job just fine. I definitely like that it's very light weight and compactable for touring.
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Oh this is a Jacket, rather than the PVC cape .. or the regular coveralls and parkas .


interesting collection .. https://www.grundens.com/product-cate...s?limitstart=0

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Yeah, I'm going with a Grunden jacket. They seem to have a good reputation, and are within my budget. The Grunden cape is quite a bit over the budget. I'm also not quite certain about the cape idea. I might explore it in the future, but for now heading into my first tour, I'd feel more comfortable going with a jacket - Something I'm used to and seems to be more commonly used.
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My jacket is waterproof and has some air permeability. I got the Chinley 3L from Mountain Hardwear. I liked it because Gore-Tex doesn't quite have the instant air permeability but MHW's Dry Q. Elite does, plus this one has pit zips a chest pocket and two handwarmers. However there are obviously people who disagree and working in the outdoor industry there is fierce competition and debates. Spray on coatings like what TNF uses in their HyVent and you will find on other similar cheap jackets just cut down on breathability and wear out quickly which doesn't help anyone.

My previous shell is/was a RAB ShellNeo using Polartec's new NeoShell membrane which was great aside from the zippers that RAB used which have been failing on me (NeoShell is awesome and there are probably some much better jackets on the market with it mine is two years old)

Basically waterproof is garbage if it doesn't keep you dry on the inside. If you are sweating a ton then why wear the jacket? I would rather be soaked with water than soaked with sweat (unless really cold out). However yes I do understand a good rainshell is several hundred (at least) but consider it as an investment. I will have my jacket hopefully ten years down the line and still be using it which comes out to 35 bucks a year (MSRP of $350). So big initial but you break it down and it isn't that bad.

If all you look at is price than don't bother with anything outside of what Null66 said, a garbage bag because with cheap-o jackets that is sort of what you are getting, maybe just a touch nicer. D.I.Y.ing waterproof jackets is a bad idea it will only end poorly and with a less waterproof jacket. I dig cheap and I dig D.I.Y. but especially here I would rather get really good quality gear that I can have for many years to come.
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I've never had a rain jacket that was either one.....The one I use now is warm when wet...good enough.
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I have a showers pass elite. It cost a small fortune. It does however work for 3 seasons, fall-winter & Spring. I find it is too warm for summer use.
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up here the Elite jackets are $275, roughly 100 more than the commuter one I got made by them. Considering the last time I bought a biking rain jacket was a very long time ago, the 175 was ok, but I did baulk at the 100 more for the elite, just wasnt sure it would be as good for breathing and such and worth the extra 100.
I agree, the commuter one is kinda warm too for summer, but then I really only use it when its pouring down buckets and the temps have dropped. It does vent really well and seems well made, figure it was worth the cost for how long it will be used.
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Originally Posted by djb
up here the Elite jackets are $275, roughly 100 more than the commuter one I got made by them. Considering the last time I bought a biking rain jacket was a very long time ago, the 175 was ok, but I did baulk at the 100 more for the elite, just wasnt sure it would be as good for breathing and such and worth the extra 100.
I agree, the commuter one is kinda warm too for summer, but then I really only use it when its pouring down buckets and the temps have dropped. It does vent really well and seems well made, figure it was worth the cost for how long it will be used.
The Elite 2.1 (or2.0) is not a bad choice as it is 3L eVent which is quite air permeable and was somewhat the basis of Dry.Q Elite from MHW (which I mentioned earlier) I cannot speak to Artex or Elite membranes (used in other jackets) but being a gear junkie that I am and not hearing about them or reading about them anywhere or being able to find much info I have my doubts.

BTW my Chinley 3L was pretty good during a brief downpour while unloading a truck. It was quite hot and very humid and but I wasn't completely dying in the thing (granted I wasn't cool as a cuke but you cannot really be in that weather)
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I haven't gotten to try out my Grunden while riding yet, but I have now worn it in a couple rains while walking. It kept me completely dry, and the pit-zips definitely do let in some air flow. I ended up closing them because I was getting chill while walking(~50 degrees). The side pockets that your hands or keys might go in are mesh inside, so that provides another source of air flow if needed. The only area I can see as being kinda stuffy would be the arms(probably just the elbow down if anything due to the pit-zips). I'll report on that once I get a chance to ride in it. The coat seems well made. It does seem to run large. I wear a small-medium in a coat normally. The medium in this coat was much too large even with layering of a shirt and a light down coat under it. I exchanged for a small and it's still the largest size that I would consider. I think I could still stand to go a bit smaller...

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