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bradtx 05-05-14 07:21 AM

Continental Touring Plus tires
 
Hi All, I finally was able to put some miles on these tires that I'd installed in the winter. I chose the 32 mm size as I don't load up more than 20 lb., 30 lb. the most so far.

I rode one of my favorite charity rides on Sunday which features, using that word loosely, many different road surfaces including a short section that mimics cobblestone. The handling is more lively than with the Panaracers and, for the most part, is a comfortable tire that doesn't seem to suck energy. Combined weight difference between old and new is only 200 grams BTW. Overall I'm pleased.

One unrelated item is that there were more children on the ride than I've seen in the past. :thumb: I hope than number increases in the future.

Brad

ModeratedUser 08-26-15 02:34 PM

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Wow I can feel the excitement these tire generates! I was just doing a search for this tire after getting some bad customer service on a different Conti tire I was trying to buy on Amazon. I ordered some Continental Tour Ride (700x32) tires. I mounted one and measured it. It showed 28.15mm. I contacted the seller and they had me send them back. After that they sent one Continental Tour Ride 700x32 and one Continental Touring Plus 700x37 tire. I submitted another return and was given credit on Amazon. So it looks like I'm getting the tires for free, think that's how it works :rolleyes: So now I'm working on getting another Continental Touring Plus 700x37 tire and rolling with this set. From what I've read, it seems like these tires are made in India and run slim. So I'm thinking I'll end up with a 34-35mm setup.


Questions and comments:

- Your tires running about the size stated or smaller?
- No one ever mentions these tires are made in India.
- No one ever mentions if sizes are true or what.
- How do you like them so far?

Being that I backed into these and are cheap, I'm going to be far less "ruthless" than if I spent my hard earned money on these.

mgb 08-26-15 04:09 PM

They're damned hard to mount. One issue is that the belting reduces the internal volume. Use a smaller tube size than you normally would.

Biketouringhobo 08-27-15 06:35 PM

I have a set of conti touring plus in my storage unit 26x1.75

indyfabz 08-28-15 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by User1 (Post 18112750)
( So now I'm working on getting another Continental Touring Plus 700x37 tire and rolling with this set. From what I've read, it seems like these tires are made in India and run slim. So I'm thinking I'll end up with a 34-35mm setup.


Questions and comments:

- Your tires running about the size stated or smaller?
- No one ever mentions these tires are made in India.
- No one ever mentions if sizes are true or what.
- How do you like them so far?

Being that I backed into these and are cheap, I'm going to be far less "ruthless" than if I spent my hard earned money on these.

If you want a high-quality, 37c Conti touring tire that is made in Germany you should get these:

continental bicycle Top CONTACT II

Don't but cheap. Buy smart. The story on Contis is that they run a bit narrow. My current set of the above has been on very rough mountainous roads with a full load and 210 lbs. of me. They also recently enjoyed the Mickelson Trail, which is pretty rough, especially after all the rain SD has had thus summer. I also commute on them daily. Close to 2,000 loaded miles and who knows how many commuting miles on the banged up streets of Philly. One flat from what looked like a tiny piece of wire from a shredded car tire. And the tires still look in good shape.

gpsblake 08-28-15 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by mgb (Post 18113058)
They're damned hard to mount. One issue is that the belting reduces the internal volume. Use a smaller tube size than you normally would.

+1 - exactly the same issue I had with them and the same solution.

bradtx 08-29-15 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by User1 (Post 18112750)
(No replies in over a year)

Questions and comments:

- Your tires running about the size stated or smaller?
- No one ever mentions these tires are made in India.
- No one ever mentions if sizes are true or what.
- How do you like them so far?

Being that I backed into these and are cheap, I'm going to be far less "ruthless" than if I spent my hard earned money on these.

1. & 3. Continentals, regardless of model seem to run slightly narrower than what maybe expected. I didn't measure mine prior to mounting, but my 32 mm tires are not quite 29 mm high and wide when inflated to 70 PSI.
2. My tires don't have a "Made in XXX" code on them and was probably on the container. I don't care if they're from India or not.
4. They are good tires that I would rate middle of the road for weight, puncture resistance, and rolling resistance.

Brad

cyccommute 08-29-15 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by mgb (Post 18113058)
They're damned hard to mount. One issue is that the belting reduces the internal volume. Use a smaller tube size than you normally would.

I hear this all the time about Continentals but I've never found one of their tires to be difficult to mount...even the Gatorskins which are supposed to be notoriously difficult. I've helped many people at my local co-op mount the Gatorskin and never found them difficult to mount.

My biggest problem with the Continentals has been keeping them on the rim. I've had at 6 blowouts with various models of of their touring tires, including 4 in one 26 mile trip that left me stranded without any tubes. And that was with the tires all pumped up only to their recommended pressure. Kind of soured me on Continentals entirely. I've found better tires that are cheaper and better.

robow 08-29-15 09:03 PM

As mentioned, Conti tires almost always run smaller than stated size, I'm sure this is of marketing value so they can claim their tire model X and size Y as lighter than other tires of supposed equal size.

I, like Stuart above, have never really had difficulty in mounting Conti tires, maybe part of that is technique and part likely due to certain tire-rim combinations are tougher than others.

Just curious Stuart, what rim did you have trouble with the tires not remaining seated?

I have had two Conti gatorskins recently where the bead tore away from the sidewall and left me stranded as it wasn't bootable, but I have owned and worn out several sets of gators over the years.

cyccommute 08-30-15 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by robow (Post 18121551)
Just curious Stuart, what rim did you have trouble with the tires not remaining seated?

It wasn't just one rim. I've had trouble with at least 3 different rim brands. The one incident where I blew out 4 tires in one day occurred on a Mavic A719 front rim and a Ritchey OCR rear rim. None of those blowouts occurred on tires that had been pumped above the recommend pressure which is 90 psi. The tires were 37mm Continental Touring Contacts with a folding bead. I didn't experience any more blowouts for the rest of the trip...this happened on the first day...but I had to run my tires at 60 to 70 psi and ride very, very, very carefully around any kind of holes in the road. I also carried 6 (six) tubes for the rest of the 2 week tour that I never used.

I've used many other folding bead tires before and since on many bikes in many different applications and widths from 23mm fast tires to 2.2" mountain bike tires on 17mm rims and never had any other brand blow off the rim unless I mounted the tires wrong. And any blowoff that happened did so during inflation not miles after the tire had been mounted.

Personally, I would use...and have used...a Bell folding tire from Helmart before I'd use a Continental.

veganbikes 08-30-15 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18122347)
It wasn't just one rim. I've had trouble with at least 3 different rim brands. The one incident where I blew out 4 tires in one day occurred on a Mavic A719 front rim and a Ritchey OCR rear rim. None of those blowouts occurred on tires that had been pumped above the recommend pressure which is 90 psi. The tires were 37mm Continental Touring Contacts with a folding bead. I didn't experience any more blowouts for the rest of the trip...this happened on the first day...but I had to run my tires at 60 to 70 psi and ride very, very, very carefully around any kind of holes in the road. I also carried 6 (six) tubes for the rest of the 2 week tour that I never used.

I've used many other folding bead tires before and since on many bikes in many different applications and widths from 23mm fast tires to 2.2" mountain bike tires on 17mm rims and never had any other brand blow off the rim unless I mounted the tires wrong. And any blowoff that happened did so during inflation not miles after the tire had been mounted.

Personally, I would use...and have used...a Bell folding tire from Helmart before I'd use a Continental.

Odd I would love to see how you do it? I use and install contis all the time and haven't had issues with blowouts on them and neither have shopmates. I am not saying you are doing something wrong but it is an odd thing. I now after having a blowout on some misized tires (it was for an old sears bike with that odd 26 x 1 3/8 590 ISO and tread specific tire and I used a different tread because they were out of the one we needed and the ISOs were the same) make sure to check the seating of the tire about 3 times while inflating just to make sure. Call it paranoia but it works.

It could have also been a bad batch of tires which happens to most any big manufacturer?

cyccommute 08-31-15 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by veganbikes (Post 18123762)
Odd I would love to see how you do it? I use and install contis all the time and haven't had issues with blowouts on them and neither have shopmates. I am not saying you are doing something wrong but it is an odd thing. I now after having a blowout on some misized tires (it was for an old sears bike with that odd 26 x 1 3/8 590 ISO and tread specific tire and I used a different tread because they were out of the one we needed and the ISOs were the same) make sure to check the seating of the tire about 3 times while inflating just to make sure. Call it paranoia but it works.

It could have also been a bad batch of tires which happens to most any big manufacturer?

It wasn't a bead seating issue, I assure you. I check beads all the time. The first blowout happened 3 miles from the start of my trip (but after 1200 miles and a couple of days of bouncing around in my vehicle as I traveled to the start of my trip) when I stopped at a light and did a trackstand. It blew out while I was balanced over the wheel. The second one...in the same day but on a different wheel...happened when I hit a small pothole on a east Texas road about 20 miles into my ride.. The pothole may have been 3/4" deep but the rear wheel blew out. The third one happened in the middle of the night at the campground where I was staying. And the fourth one happened after I hitched a ride back to my truck, got my bike, got tubes and repaired the blowout in a hotel room while I pondered whether or not to drive the 1200 miles back home or risk spending 2 week dealing with blowouts. I reduced my pressure to 70 psi and risked it but never had another blowout on that trip.

I would attribute it to a bad batch of tires if I had not had previous blow out experiences with Continental touring tires that didn't leave me stranded but certainly left me frustrated. After 6 blowouts...5 of which occurred far away from home...and one Continental shredding after an impact with a small rock on a downhill, I'm very soured on Continental tires. I've used all kinds of tires and all kinds of brands but never had as much trouble with a brand as I've had with the Continentals.

staehpj1 08-31-15 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18124998)
It wasn't a bead seating issue, I assure you. I check beads all the time. The first blowout happened 3 miles from the start of my trip (but after 1200 miles and a couple of days of bouncing around in my vehicle as I traveled to the start of my trip) when I stopped at a light and did a trackstand. It blew out while I was balanced over the wheel. The second one...in the same day but on a different wheel...happened when I hit a small pothole on a east Texas road about 20 miles into my ride.. The pothole may have been 3/4" deep but the rear wheel blew out. The third one happened in the middle of the night at the campground where I was staying. And the fourth one happened after I hitched a ride back to my truck, got my bike, got tubes and repaired the blowout in a hotel room while I pondered whether or not to drive the 1200 miles back home or risk spending 2 week dealing with blowouts. I reduced my pressure to 70 psi and risked it but never had another blowout on that trip.

I would attribute it to a bad batch of tires if I had not had previous blow out experiences with Continental touring tires that didn't leave me stranded but certainly left me frustrated. After 6 blowouts...5 of which occurred far away from home...and one Continental shredding after an impact with a small rock on a downhill, I'm very soured on Continental tires. I've used all kinds of tires and all kinds of brands but never had as much trouble with a brand as I've had with the Continentals.

I have had excellent luck with Contis including Gatorskins and Grand Prix, but never used the Touring Contacts.

ModeratedUser 08-31-15 04:50 PM

OK well I got my other tire today and decided to do a detailed measurement when installing them. Some people have commented that they found the Contis to measure kinda narrow. For tires made in Germany, I found them to be pretty much on the mark. The ones I was taking off my bike right now are pretty new Grand Prix 4-season. The specs are as follows;

Grand Prix 4 season 700x23mm
with 100 psi 24.35mm on Velomax rim measuring 18.80mm outside and 14.10mm inside
Grand Prix 4 season 700x25mm
with 100 psi 25.65mm on Velomax rim measuring 19.15mm outside and 14.20mm inside

The Touring Plus 700x37mm
with 70 psi on same rims measures 30.45mm and 30.95mm

I was getting ready to "wrestle the tiger" after reading that they were hard to mount, but I didn't have any trouble. I was able to take all the tires off and on with no problem just using a little finesse and getting tires off or on. I did notice that my first Tour Plus developed a little bulge after mounting and filling. It could have been me not taking the time to get it seated. I just quickly lowered the air and seated it better. I'm just going to to roll at 40 psi on both tires and let everything seated a little better.

Haven't rolled on these, so nothing on these "37s" yet. I was a little iffy on using some tubes that had it labeled as 700x28-35mm. Ended up that they weren't even close to worrying about.

fietsbob 08-31-15 05:41 PM

Travel Contact is their Touring past the end of paved world tire 622-37, I have the 559-47.

veganbikes 09-01-15 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18124998)
It wasn't a bead seating issue, I assure you. I check beads all the time. The first blowout happened 3 miles from the start of my trip (but after 1200 miles and a couple of days of bouncing around in my vehicle as I traveled to the start of my trip) when I stopped at a light and did a trackstand. It blew out while I was balanced over the wheel. The second one...in the same day but on a different wheel...happened when I hit a small pothole on a east Texas road about 20 miles into my ride.. The pothole may have been 3/4" deep but the rear wheel blew out. The third one happened in the middle of the night at the campground where I was staying. And the fourth one happened after I hitched a ride back to my truck, got my bike, got tubes and repaired the blowout in a hotel room while I pondered whether or not to drive the 1200 miles back home or risk spending 2 week dealing with blowouts. I reduced my pressure to 70 psi and risked it but never had another blowout on that trip.

I would attribute it to a bad batch of tires if I had not had previous blow out experiences with Continental touring tires that didn't leave me stranded but certainly left me frustrated. After 6 blowouts...5 of which occurred far away from home...and one Continental shredding after an impact with a small rock on a downhill, I'm very soured on Continental tires. I've used all kinds of tires and all kinds of brands but never had as much trouble with a brand as I've had with the Continentals.

I guess luck just wasn't on your side. I love my contis and my shop mates are the same. I have never had any issues aside from the time I had a blow out pumping some grand prix classics on some old rims that may not have been able to handle the pressure or the tube was faulty. Though a new tube, a little less pressure and everything was fine and dandy.

cyccommute 09-02-15 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by veganbikes (Post 18129394)
I guess luck just wasn't on your side. I love my contis and my shop mates are the same. I have never had any issues aside from the time I had a blow out pumping some grand prix classics on some old rims that may not have been able to handle the pressure or the tube was faulty. Though a new tube, a little less pressure and everything was fine and dandy.

Luck had nothing to do with it. The only tire failure that involved "luck" was the shredded tire following an impact but only the impact involved any kind of random event (aka "luck"). The blowouts and the shredded tires were defects in the tires plain and simple. I've had plenty of other tires over 40 years of bicycling and never had a single brand with so many failures...especially for a brand that is supposed to be "premium". I'm very disappointed in the brand and, frankly, won't trust it.

Here's the shredded tire, by the way

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_0119.jpg

What you can't see is that the tire was completely misshapen and that the inner layer was likely to fail at any point.

ModeratedUser 09-02-15 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18131348)
Luck had nothing to do with it. The only tire failure that involved "luck" was the shredded tire following an impact but only the impact involved any kind of random event (aka "luck"). The blowouts and the shredded tires were defects in the tires plain and simple. I've had plenty of other tires over 40 years of bicycling and never had a single brand with so many failures...especially for a brand that is supposed to be "premium". I'm very disappointed in the brand and, frankly, won't trust it.

Here's the shredded tire, by the way

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_0119.jpg

What you can't see is that the tire was completely misshapen and that the inner layer was likely to fail at any point.


I see what you are talking about on these tires. I rolled with my new Continental Touring Plus to my doctors office and pharmacy. A distance of ~2 miles. I was going through drive-thur service at the pharmacy and was inspecting everything and seeing how good they looked. I noticed a bulge at the sidewall. Not sure if it was moving or not. I envisioned that slime tube exploding all over me and the drive up window! I very quickly dropped the psi to maybe 30-35 and rolled with some attention to where I was rolling. They did last for my ride home. At that point I just took the tires off and called them history. Looks like the seller I got my tire from doesn't even want these back. Just refunded me about an hour ago. So now I have three free Continental tires that I don't have a clue what I'm going to do with. I know I ain't going to use them. I really hate to sell them unless I can tell them how crappy they are.

Just to be sure on what we are talking about here. I'm talking about the tires made in India. Not the tires made in Germany. Don't know what Continental is doing here but this can't be a good business move.

cyccommute 09-04-15 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by User1 (Post 18133118)
Just to be sure on what we are talking about here. I'm talking about the tires made in India. Not the tires made in Germany. Don't know what Continental is doing here but this can't be a good business move.

I have no idea where the tires were made. I've had trouble with them over a very long period of time. I experienced a blowout on an OEM Top Touring in 2005, a blowout on the other OEM Top Touring between 2005 and 2008, the series of blowouts on the Touring Contacts in 2008 and this failure is from 2011. I have no idea where any of the tires was made nor do I feel it really matters, at least to me. Seven failures in as many years is way too many for me to trust the brand anymore.

ModeratedUser 09-06-15 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18138125)
I have no idea where the tires were made. I've had trouble with them over a very long period of time. I experienced a blowout on an OEM Top Touring in 2005, a blowout on the other OEM Top Touring between 2005 and 2008, the series of blowouts on the Touring Contacts in 2008 and this failure is from 2011. I have no idea where any of the tires was made nor do I feel it really matters, at least to me. Seven failures in as many years is way too many for me to trust the brand anymore.

Yeah I still barley have confidence in the tires made in Germany. They would most likely state that in pretty big and bold type face. You have any tires you like currently? I'm trying to nail down 700c tires for touring/off-road (CX) and urban riding. Something that is no less than 28mm tire.

cyccommute 09-06-15 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by User1 (Post 18142605)
Yeah I still barley have confidence in the tires made in Germany. They would most likely state that in pretty big and bold type face. You have any tires you like currently? I'm trying to nail down 700c tires for touring/off-road (CX) and urban riding. Something that is no less than 28mm tire.

I've had very good luck with Vittoria. I've used Randonneurs for commuting for the last 3 or 4 years. I toured on Michelin Lithion around the south in 2011 and should have kept them on my bike but decided that they were looking a little cut and worn in Cincinatti and changed to the tire in the picture. Just this spring I did 1500 miles of touring on Panaracer RibMo around Lake Erie. This included a lot of dirt road, canal path and rail trail riding. They worked wonderfully. Their profile is not completely round but they are still good tires.

ModeratedUser 09-11-15 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18143825)
I've had very good luck with Vittoria. I've used Randonneurs for commuting for the last 3 or 4 years. I toured on Michelin Lithion around the south in 2011 and should have kept them on my bike but decided that they were looking a little cut and worn in Cincinatti and changed to the tire in the picture. Just this spring I did 1500 miles of touring on Panaracer RibMo around Lake Erie. This included a lot of dirt road, canal path and rail trail riding. They worked wonderfully. Their profile is not completely round but they are still good tires.

Well I put some Randonneurs on my bike. I had one tire already from a REI garage sale and just ordered a matching tire. They are SUPPOSE to be 28mm tires but measure 25mm at 80psi. I guess this is the new age? Order one size bigger than what you are shooting for? Then hope for the best? I can see being off a millimeter, but 3? These were made in Thailand btw.

I'll see how these do. Being that I'm ~250#, those missing 3mm do make a difference.

fietsbob 09-11-15 11:37 AM

whatever.. rim width is independent of the Tire Makers control..

rubber grows well in that part of the world, and the workers are paid Low ,

so why wouldn't a Corporation want to lower those Costs ?

ModeratedUser 09-11-15 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 18156389)
whatever.. rim width is independent of the Tire Makers control..

rubber grows well in that part of the world, and the workers are paid Low ,

so why wouldn't a Corporation want to lower those Costs ?

The rim width on my rims is a little over 14mm and I'm betting that's in the ballpark of an average 700c rim. Tell the truth, I never had a problem getting around what the tire was advertised as. This discrepancy started happening when I started coming across name brand tires being made in more cost effective countries. That being India and Thailand so far. This lack of giving the buying public what the thought they were buying is going to do nothing but cause trouble down the line for the buying public, the retailers, and finally the name brands. Notice I didn't mention the manufacturers? If someone paid retail for some tire and it was 3-7mm shy on the width, you don't think they have right for doing practically anything they want regarding this purchase?

BTW, if anyone has a study they've seen regarding the width of rims and the overall width of the tires, can you please post what you've seen? I'm betting it's not that big of a difference in the overall width of the tire between one or the other rims.

tarwheel 09-11-15 02:48 PM

I have quit using Continental tires because they almost always run much narrower than spec'd. I used to run Conti GP 4000s with no problems and their width was as specified, but the sidewalls tended to "unthread." I used Conti GP 4 Seasons for commuting and light touring for quite a while with no problems, but they measured about 2 mm narrower than they were supposed to. They became so expensive that I quit considering them, and I also wanted a wider tire for commuting and touring. I also ran some 25 mm Gatorskins for a while, but they had an uncomfortable ride. They were extremely hard to mount, and I broke some tire tools trying to install them.

I have had much better experiences with other brands of tires for commuting and touring, including Panaracer Pasela PT 32s, Vittoria Voyager Hyper 32s and Clement LAS 33s. These other brands of tires all ran as wider or wider than specified.

robow 09-11-15 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by tarwheel (Post 18156916)
I have quit using Continental tires because they almost always run much narrower than spec'd.

I agree about the dislike for under sizing used for marketing purposes but I just buy up one size. I want a 25, I buy a Conti 28, want a 28, buy the Conti 32 and so on.


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