Originally Posted by roadandmountain
(Post 16773275)
...If you don't feel safe descending with the cannondale, you should sell it. There's no point in riding a bike you feel unsafe on.
I do think your best bet is to buy a second set of wheels for your lht. You have a clear preference for touring geometry and a lighter set of wheels should make a big difference in acceleration on flats and on climbs. ... For the expense of an overhaul, possibly re-gearing his cassette and possibly installing a rear rack the OP can explore the feasibility of a lighter duty bike for light touring. At the least the roadie will become more versatile. While a second set of wheels for the LHT sounds good, the OP has a DT and will need to purchase a disk compatible hub or wheel set. When I replaced the tires (35 mm Panaracer to 32 mm Continental) on my primary touring bike the handling improved modestly, primarily due to the profile of the tire. Brad |
Originally Posted by bradtx
(Post 16774521)
The OP can also simply control downhill speed to stay in a comfort zone, as I'm sure he has.
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Originally Posted by roadandmountain
(Post 16775667)
That sounds like a terrible idea. OP wants to go fast. You're telling him to ride a fast twitchy road bike that doesn't feel safe as slowly as possible in order to go faster. Complete nonsequitur.
Brad |
Originally Posted by bradtx
(Post 16775821)
I didn't write for him to go as "slowly as possible", just to stay within his comfort zone. There's nothing inherently "twitchy" about that bike, I have a criterium model that has more aggressive geometry than the OP's and it's quite stable at ~40 MPH.
Brad That doesn't make any sense at all. |
it's also possible that the twitchy feeling has to do with bike setup... on my short tour I ended up raising the bars a lot on my disc trucker (60% front load with lowrider panniers) and when I got home and rode unloaded I was amazed at how twitchy it felt... bars are going back down when I get around to actually touching the bike again). if the saddle isn't in the proper location that can change feel a lot as well... the front end also tends to be a bit more forgiving for larger tires which could slack out the front end a smidge more.
but no matter what going from a relaxed touring bike setup to a racing frame is always going to feel a bit twitchy :-/ |
Originally Posted by roadandmountain
(Post 16775845)
The point is that he doesn't have any confidence in his bike while descending. He didn't specify the speed but I doubt he was going very fast. After all, he prefers tourers. Now, you want a rider who already rides relatively slowly on a bike he doesn't trust, to go even more slowly, when his stated objective is to get a faster bike.
That doesn't make any sense at all. Brad |
Originally Posted by bradtx
(Post 16775955)
And the R500 is definitely a faster bike and don't we all control our speed on fast downhill runs? The OP has rode his R500 many miles and you're fixating on one aspect that he's aware of and has coped with. The OP hasn't stated why he isn't comfortable with the downhill runs on his roadie, nor whether if he rides the downhills faster on the LHT. There may also not be the type of downhill runs in NY that he rode further west.
Brad I love going fast on descents, and descents on my road bike don't frighten me. I've ridden as fast as 50 mph and felt confident on my bike at that speed. edit: "fixating?" LOL, weak ad hominem. :) |
Originally Posted by roadandmountain
(Post 16779832)
It doesn't matter if he specifies why or not. He's scared of fast descents, whatever fast means to him.
I love going fast on descents, and descents on my road bike don't frighten me. I've ridden as fast as 50 mph and felt confident on my bike at that speed. edit: "fixating?" LOL, weak ad hominem. :) Brad |
Originally Posted by Latif
(Post 16751194)
You might give a look at Salsa Vaya, an attempt an a heavy duty all arounder. Mine was about 25lbs from the factory.It's nimble feeling for a fairly heavy bike and meets all your listed requirements for chainstay length, bottom bracket ht and braze ons. A few hundred bucks more new than your budget though.
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Originally Posted by donalson
(Post 16773237)
what would it take to get the c-dale ready to go? while not exactly what you want it would be a fun bike and completely opposite of what the trucker is...
at that age there is a good possibility that the hubs may even take a 8/9/10 spd cassette (the next years r500 would) so you could easily upgrade. plenty of options
Originally Posted by bradtx
(Post 16773260)
JWK, The R500 is a good choice IMHO. It'll likely fit 25 mm tires (25 mm Conti Ultra Race tires fit my '89 3.0) and can easily tote 25 lb. of luggage in a largish saddle bag and a handle bar bag.
Brad
Originally Posted by bradtx
(Post 16775821)
I didn't write for him to go as "slowly as possible", just to stay within his comfort zone. There's nothing inherently "twitchy" about that bike, I have a criterium model that has more aggressive geometry than the OP's and it's quite stable at ~40 MPH.
Brad But you're right. It should be stable. It's got a trail of 63mm, for cryin' out loud. It was 17 years ago, so it's hard to say what caused the uneasiness. I guess I'll find out. My cyclocomputer I just mounted told me I hit 51mph today. I hit over 40mph at least three times any time I go out for 30 miles or more. I live in a very steep, hilly area. I'm never scared or uneasy on my DT.
Originally Posted by donalson
(Post 16775883)
it's also possible that the twitchy feeling has to do with bike setup... on my short tour I ended up raising the bars a lot on my disc trucker (60% front load with lowrider panniers) and when I got home and rode unloaded I was amazed at how twitchy it felt... bars are going back down when I get around to actually touching the bike again). if the saddle isn't in the proper location that can change feel a lot as well... the front end also tends to be a bit more forgiving for larger tires which could slack out the front end a smidge more.
but no matter what going from a relaxed touring bike setup to a racing frame is always going to feel a bit twitchy :-/ |
I'd like to thank everyone again for the info and ideas. Because of the thoughts given here, I've decided to look into aluminum framed endurance bikes and vintage Cannondale tourers. I'm pretty optimistic about the Cannondale option. It sounds like what I would really like for my next bike. The only problem will be finding the right size in the right years for an acceptable price. Man, people on Craigs List and eBay are crazy...
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If you regularly hit 70k and up to 80k then you know what you are doing going fast, and will know how to compare the bikes that's for sure.
And yes, the used listing prices here have me shaking my head most times.... |
Originally Posted by djb
(Post 16803907)
If you regularly hit 70k and up to 80k then you know what you are doing going fast, and will know how to compare the bikes that's for sure.
And yes, the used listing prices here have me shaking my head most times.... Thank you for your vote of confidence in my judgement ability. I think it will be very interesting to see how the Cannondale rides. |
bottom line is that 40 or 45 doesnt make a difference, its how the bike feels and you'll know right away how that is and how you feel about how it rides. have fun.
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