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Old 05-15-14, 01:23 PM
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Move to bike packer plus from classic roller?

Hey all!
I've been using the same classic (heavier PVC) rollers for about 7 years now, and thinking about upgrading to the Bike Packer Plus. Pros I've heard are that they are lighter, larger capacity and have that awesome outer pocket. Cons I've heard is that they are not submerge-able in that dry sack way that Classics are, and that because they don't sit level with your rear rack, you can't perpendicularly stack tent and sleeping pad *across*, but rather have to sit in between. Anyone else have any thoughts, pictures or other comparisons? Would really help me!
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Old 05-15-14, 01:41 PM
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Packer Plus:

My wife likes them. She has both front and rear Plus panniers. However, she only uses them on the rear, sizing the pannier to the capacity needed. The only things that get carried in that "awesome" outer pocket are the lock, sunscreen, and occasionally used for temporary small item storage. At least those are the things I know about; she may also carry some other things. I prefer my Classic Rollers, but she would not have anything else.

As posted in another thread-- she uses the "wasted" space between the panniers to stow her running shoes.



Using the Packer Plus front panniers on the rear--Pacific Coast Route.


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Old 05-15-14, 03:31 PM
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The Plus part is the fabric , its the external pockets and the drawstring skirt and the buckle down lid .. that wont be bone dry when you ford deep rivers .

The roller top closure is also offered in the Plus fabric too, of course..

of course racks like the Tubus Logo drop the mounting rail a bit on the rack
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Old 05-15-14, 05:07 PM
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Unless the bags are worn out why upgrade? The weight difference isn't going to be that great and you are not going to beat the dryness of your rollers. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then put it toward something else.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
Unless the bags are worn out why upgrade? The weight difference isn't going to be that great and you are not going to beat the dryness of your rollers. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then put it toward something else.
Very rarely do I agree with anyone dictating how others should spend their money. It's usually an argument based in prejudices or bitterness and does nothing to contribute to the conversation.

....but, that being said, one of the draws of the Back Rollers is that they're indestructible, and last forever. If you bought yours in 2007, they're still probably great. In this case, I agree- save your money.

Here's the specs:

Ortlieb Back Roller Plus: 59.3oz, 40L
Ortlieb Back Roller Classic: 67.1oz, 40L
Ortlieb Bikepacker Plus: 73.4, 42L
Ortlieb Bikepacker Classic: 78oz, 40L

So your panniers will be 6.3 ounces heavier and you'll gain the space of a water bottle.
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Old 05-15-14, 07:02 PM
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I like mine, the outer pocket IMO is a bit over rated, but I do use it for bug spray, chain lube, etc
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Old 05-15-14, 08:48 PM
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Get the Sport Packer Plus and reduce you load!
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Old 05-16-14, 12:18 AM
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I have a set of Ortlieb Bike Packer Plus panniers, actually two sets I have written a bit of a review of them and have actually done probably over 5,000 km with them now. More than happy with them but I started out with these rather than replacing a set of Classics. I did however replace my front set of Classic panniers with the Sports Plus panniers. I haven't regretted that decision either.


All nice and clean at Finniss River in the Northern Territory. They passed the crocodile test

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Old 05-16-14, 05:35 AM
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They are a bit floppy if they aren't fully packed, but I like them overall. There is no access issue for me since I don't orient stuff perpendicular to the bike.

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Old 05-16-14, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Northwestrider View Post


I like mine, the outer pocket IMO is a bit over rated, but I do use it for bug spray, chain lube, etc
That looks like a mesh pocket. The current design uses a solid pocket with a flap cover. Sometimes I need to fiddle with my flaps to make sure they are closed completely. The flaps can be stubborn if the side compression straps are pulled tightly.
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Old 05-16-14, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bikiola View Post
... they don't sit level with your rear rack, you can't perpendicularly stack tent and sleeping pad *across*, but rather have to sit in between.
I didn't find that. Maybe my bags weren't stuffed as full as they could be, or that I mount them on the lower rail on my rack, but I strapped my tent and sleeping bag perpendicular to the rack with no issue. As someone else commented, the only thing I put in the outer pocket is a lock, sunscreen, and the like.

As to water proof, unless you're literally floating your bike across rivers, you should be good (my gear has never gotten wet, and I use them to commute in a relatively wet climate (in addition to to touring).
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Old 05-16-14, 05:52 AM
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Interesting, thanks for the answers! Seems ambivalent. One other question: currently with the Classics, I put one in the other (like stacking cups) and then, on my daily routine where I only need one pannier, just put it on one side. Then when I go shopping and need both, I take out the inner one and put them on both sides of the rack. I assume something similar would be possible with these, or do you think the different system would prevent that?
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Old 05-16-14, 07:42 AM
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I've got the Classic Rollers. Are you aware that you can buy optional clip-on pockets for them?
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Old 05-16-14, 08:46 AM
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Are you aware that you can buy optional clip-on pockets for them?
but note: those are fore and/or aft edge fitted , the ones that are part of the bike packer bags are on the outside face.

same fittings also allow a Bottle cage they make, to be added , say to your front pannier's rear side.
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I've got the classic rollers as well and like them. I use one front roller for my daily commute. Only issue is that I have broken two top buckles. Ortlieb has replaced both buckles free of charge. That's pretty nice.
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Old 05-16-14, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
That looks like a mesh pocket.
You are correct, it is a mesh pocket, good eye.
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Old 05-16-14, 10:29 AM
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You can buy option mesh as well as waterproof outside pockets for Classic Rollers. See link:

Ortlieb Accessories for Panniers, Packs and Handlebar Bags
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Now the pouch on the outside face is not mesh, but more PU coated cordura with a flap over the opening.

http://www.thetouringstore.com/ORTLI...iers%201.1.jpg
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