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Old 05-15-14, 07:38 PM
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Soylent Green is People!

There's a new food product called Soylent. it's an affordable meal replacement... you can literally drink nothing but soylent forever.

Maybe a boost for the bikepackers and speed demons who do timed races and such? Or as a replacement to the "emergency" food some people carry in inhospitable places?

Soylent - Free Your Body
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Soylent is lab food, not real food, not for me.
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I looked it up ...

I know Wikipedia is not necessarily a reliable source, but I did have a bit of a chuckle when I read this ...
As of May 2013, Soylent had been tested by Rhinehart himself and by a handful of volunteers as well as individuals recreating the substance independently at home. Modifications to the ingredient list have occurred in response to results incurred in testing, for example: the first version of the formula omitted iron, which Rhineheart reported caused his heart to race. In other early experiments, intentionally induced overdoses of potassium and magnesium gave Rhinehart cardiac arrhythmia and burning sensations. After the early recipe had stabilized, Rhinehart found himself suffering from joint pain due to a sulfur deficiency. Methylsulfonylmethane was added to address this problem.
Soylent (food substitute) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And I have to wonder ... so Rhineheart has adjusted the formula so that he isn't experiencing cardiac arrhythmia, joint pain, burning sensations, etc. anymore ... but is that particular formula good for everyone?
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Old 05-16-14, 04:38 AM
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One of the things about eating is the variety. That's variety in taste, texture, presentation, preparation, and even how it is eaten.

This is designer sustenance by people who obviously aren't very good designers.

And the portal page of the linked website? "What if you never had to worry about food again?" Except when you run out and have to order a new batch. And when the taste gets to be really repetitious.

I also chuckle when I read that the components are raw chemical powders... when so many people seem to be questioning the chemicals they already are eating in their everyday foods.
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Last week I heard a short radio broadcast from NPR about this stuff. The social aspect - not wanting to take time to actually sit down and eat, I thought was interesting, though a bit disturbing. Here's a link from back to last year on this:

Soylent: An Offbeat Food Idea Investors Are Taking Seriously : The Salt : NPR
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Hey, thanks for spoiling the ending! Sure, the movie is over 40 years old now, but I haven't seen it yet.
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There have been, many, many, many attempts on this... But neglecting iron? Gotta be one of the lamest not attempted by someone not self-evidently nutz...
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Originally Posted by mdilthey View Post
There's a new food product called Soylent. it's an affordable meal replacement... you can literally drink nothing but soylent until you puke.
FIFY. There's a guy in my office who's been mixing his own Soylent based on one of the published DIY recipes. Not sure exactly which formula he's using, but it comes out as a gray gruel that tastes horrible. He's added honey to the mixture to make it (barely) palatable, but even then it works best if you drink it straight from the refrigerator. The packaged stuff is probably better... but my guess is that it's still not something I'd want to consume on a regular basis.
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It will take a militant social attitude to replace all food with it. Not for me.

If I was trying to bike 200 miles in one day... I would not mind Soylent to save pack weight.
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I stop in to the Pub for lunch along the way .. I always ride for experiencing the place Im riding thru not a mileage goal to boast on..

but Im Old ..
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Eat food the way it comes out of the earth. Many millions of years of evolution is a better guide to what's healthy than some liquid chemical brew.
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Originally Posted by DackRider View Post
Where's Thorn when you him?
He's probably still wandering around out in the forbidden zone with Nova......whoops, wrong movie.
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No thanks. Food is something to enjoy. Smells, textures, crunchiness. It takes time to prepare, is best enjoyed in company. Goes well with wine. I want freshly baked bread, with melting butter. Not some freaking milkshake composed of everything you need and nothing of what you want.
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I stop in to the Pub for lunch along the way .. I always ride for experiencing the place Im riding thru not a mileage goal to boast on..

but Im Old ..
And it would seem,

Wise!
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Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post
FIFY. There's a guy in my office who's been mixing his own Soylent based on one of the published DIY recipes. Not sure exactly which formula he's using, but it comes out as a gray gruel that tastes horrible. He's added honey to the mixture to make it (barely) palatable, but even then it works best if you drink it straight from the refrigerator. The packaged stuff is probably better... but my guess is that it's still not something I'd want to consume on a regular basis.
Sounds like Sustained Energy!
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Yeah.... a diet of finely ground minerals and water soluble vitamins and proteins. I guess I could arrange to have the polyps removed annually. But I would seriously miss actual food.

I know some people (even adult people) are grossed out by the taste, texture, or even "idea" of some foods. I know that being able to identify the body part of meat products is extremely gross to many people.

I don't know the name of the eating disorder that would cause a person to be attracted to a non-food diet. But it may affect a large enough portion of the population.... that this guy could make some real money.

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I know, it is BF, but sometimes it still shocks me a little when people post about stuff of which they have no experience and no knowledge.
Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks | The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss

Of course there are already meal replacements. Ever hear of Carnation Instant Breakfast? How about MetRX? Ensure? People have lived on Ensure for months, my mother-in-law for one.

For athletes, Hammer Nutrition has been making similar powdered meal replacements for many years: Sustained Energy and Perpertuem, both of which have quite a good-sized market. I make my own clone of this stuff which I use during long strenuous rides, including strenuous supported tours. It works very well for the purpose and has many of the desirable results reported for Soylent. This Soylent stuff might be as good or even better.

However, this is supposedly the Touring forum, so we might discuss the subject in relation to its suitability for touring. I think it would work fine as day food for supported tours. I hate eating lunch in restaurants on tour, since the nutrition usually sucks and I eat too many bad calories, so the powdered nutrition option solves that problem. However, on ordinary tours, either credit card or camping, I carry as little with me as I can manage, and usually no food that I can't replace during a day's ride. So I wouldn't use it or any similar product under those conditions. I have no religious objection to it.
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Old 05-16-14, 11:49 PM
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I know, it is BF, but sometimes it still shocks me a little when people post about stuff of which they have no experience and no knowledge.
Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks | The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss

Of course there are already meal replacements. Ever hear of Carnation Instant Breakfast? How about MetRX? Ensure? People have lived on Ensure for months, my mother-in-law for one.

For athletes, Hammer Nutrition has been making similar powdered meal replacements for many years: Sustained Energy and Perpertuem, both of which have quite a good-sized market. I make my own clone of this stuff which I use during long strenuous rides, including strenuous supported tours. It works very well for the purpose and has many of the desirable results reported for Soylent. This Soylent stuff might be as good or even better.

However, this is supposedly the Touring forum, so we might discuss the subject in relation to its suitability for touring. I think it would work fine as day food for supported tours. I hate eating lunch in restaurants on tour, since the nutrition usually sucks and I eat too many bad calories, so the powdered nutrition option solves that problem. However, on ordinary tours, either credit card or camping, I carry as little with me as I can manage, and usually no food that I can't replace during a day's ride. So I wouldn't use it or any similar product under those conditions. I have no religious objection to it.
People are kept alive with drips into their arms. It's not a way of life I would recommend, either.

And yes, I have used Ensure (developed for people who really could not eat normal food because of medical conditions), Heed and my own mixes based on one of Soylent's main ingredients, maltodextrin... but I don't live on any of those products!!

You could, however, take your own argument further and say that the majority of processed food on the market has very little of the stuff that you would call real food. And I would probably agree. I can think of a few "False Food": items in the supermarket that would be difficult to distinguish from this Soylent stuff, both in appearance and content.

But then, isn't that one of the issues that has emerged in modern western society -- processed food, overconsumption of it, and the deleterious effects it is having?
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This one thing stands out from the linked blog:

If you are drinking Soylent exclusively, you may find chewing gum to be a pleasant exercise for your jaw muscles.

Then the thing about the bowel movements. Exercise of the intestinal system seems to have disappeared, too.

And why did his body fat percentage increase even though his weight went down? It implies that his fat stores did not go away, but that he either lost water weight or his muscles were scavenged.

And sadly, the following paragraph shows how trite this whole experiment was:

By far, the most interesting result to me was the cost and time savings of living on Soylent. I saved $200 during my trial. This is good news for the company’s greater mission of combating world hunger—especially since I imagine they’ll be able to manufacture and ship the stuff to impoverished areas at much cheaper than the kickstarter price. (One side note: the use of Soylent requires access to clean water, so there will be additional logistical challenges to making a “cure-all” for the world’s starving.)

Really? Based on saving $200 in restaurant and manufactured food costs in New York City, this is going to be the solution to the world's hunger problems?

I don't think so, but at least it has made the developers wealthy with the Kickstarter commitments...
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I don't know the name of the eating disorder that would cause a person to be attracted to a non-food diet.
googawiki says "cephaloneuronal disseminata" but us regular folks just call it plain crazy.
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I don't know why everyone is being negative towards the notion of lab-engineered food replacement nutrition. That's how the folks survived on the starship Enterprise, and they seemed more or less perfectly healthy. And don't try and tell me that Star Trek is just a TV show, it's real, and so is Santa Claus.
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googawiki says "cephaloneuronal disseminata" but us regular folks just call it plain crazy.
LOL... I wouldn't call the fearful crazy. Fear is very much a part of the human experience. I think the word I was looking for is: Sitophobia

Eating disorders are rampant today. We could make a list of them... I guess. Sitophobia... wouldn't be at the top of the list I'd create... obesity would be. But none of the disorders sound appealing, comfortable, or even close to being healthy. I feel sorry for these people.
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LOL... I wouldn't call the fearful crazy. Fear is very much a part of the human experience.
why not? there are rational fears....getting run over by a bus while crossing a busy street,
for example. that's normal. of course, if so serious that you'd call a cab to cross every
intersection, then you'd be nuts. fear of eating? nah, that's just crazy.

regardless, this is all just blather, cause anyone afraid of a saddle or a chair wouldn't
be attracted to cycling. they'd pursue an erect-postured sport.

now standophobics...........they might be interested in cycling.

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