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Old 06-10-14, 11:06 AM
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Surly Haul Long Trucker vs Cross Check

Hello!

I know this question has been several times asked but I cannot make up my mind and the time is pressing me.

In two weeks I will start a touring trio from Chicago to San Francisco by bike and I can't find the proper bike! I wanted to take the Surly Long Haul Trucker but the shop which will prepare my bike advised me to tack the Cross Check. Because this bike will only be for one touring. After I will use it as a commuter without any loads.

The problem is that 2 friends of mine have already started the trip but from New York and I'm going to join time midway. I don't want to slow down the group with a bike not fully adapted. Moreover they have the Long Haul Trucker, so it might be more adapted for this trip.

The shop proposed me to do some modifications on the bike : Bar end shifters Microshift 3 x 9 shifters, Sugino XD500T Triple cranset, set of 36H Shimano Deore Hubs laced to Velocity Dyad or similar rims.

Thank you in advance!


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Old 06-10-14, 11:21 AM
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My take is that it doesn't matter a whole lot, although that depends somewhat on how much stuff you'll be carrying.

For my cross-country tour I built up an LHT and carried a lot of stuff. Everything worked perfectly, and I had a great time!

However, were I do do it over again, I'd carry less stuff and not use such a tour-specific bike. I already had a Cross Check that would have worked just fine, especially were I to pack lightly enough to forgo front panniers.

So, if I were you, I'd be tempted to go with the Cross Check and just pack carefully.
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I don't know, does your commuting involve running on a closed track while jumping over hurdles with the bike on your shoulder? Either Surly has no idea how to make a Cross bike (possible since they list it as a pavement bike), or it is unsuited for the purposes you outline (not listed as one of their 8 touring bikes). Yes it is usable for those uses you have in mind, as is just about any piece of junk on two wheels. It is mostly about whether you want a fashion statement or a touring/commuting bike.

What is the difference in the weight of the frames, the bike weights are a different mater since the outfitting is different. No tripple on the CC. You might even end up with a lighter bike if you went the 26" route on an LHT.
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Take the bike shop advice with a grain of salt. I've owned both and either will be fine for the tour and either will be fine for your commute. Figure out what your goals are post-tour and pick the bike that best matches those.
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if you are building from a frame up either would probably be ok. If you are buying a complete bike then makng the suggested modifications then the cost of the mods would likely make the cross bike very expensive.
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If you go with the suggested modifications/components, the bike will be very close to the same weight.

As was said above, if you modify a complete CC as the LBS recommended you are talking some pretty significant costs.

I can tell you from experience that riding across the country can be done very nicely on a CX bike. I have a Bianch Volpe (CX), Surly LHT, and a Cannondale T2; all good touring bikes. After some tweaks (gearing, wheels, new fork) to the Volpe, it is my preferred ride of the three. I've taken long tours, 2,000-3800 miles, on all of the bikes so I have a good comparison, I plan on using the CX bike for a long, fully-loaded ride this summer. It is a little lighter, more nimble, and most importantly fits a little better.
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Thank you very much for you answers.

I think I'm going to take the Cross Check, I'll try to pack my equipment cleverly. When I will come back from my trip I'll try to change it in a more "road type". I was also afraid that the Cross Check would be unsuitable because the shop might try to sell it because it had it in stock and not the LHT. I'm buying all my equipment from Switzerland by internet, I hope that the shop is trustworthy.

They sent me the last offer for the bike which is worth 2'000$ (taxes included). It sounds a little bit like Chinese for me but I might confirm it tomorrow.






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IIRC the Cc has a shorter headtube.
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A Surly Cross Check is my touring bike. Blog post here.
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IIRC the Cc has a shorter headtube.
Good point. Ericos1290, Tell the shop not to cut your steerer tube. This will give you some flexibility to dial in bar height. Two weeks does not leave much time to dial in a bike.

There are a couple of other things to consider: 1)the chainstays on the CC are about an inch shorter than the LHT. If you have big feet it might be an issue.; 2) I don't think the front fork has mid-fork braze-ons for front rack.

Not a problem:




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The LHT has a bottom bracket that is noticeably lower than a CC, for that reason alone, I'd say your decision is sound, as after this tour, it'll be used for commuting .
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I don't think the front fork has mid-fork braze-ons for front rack.
They do now - Surly redesigned them for last year I think.
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Originally Posted by Ericos1290 View Post
Hello!

. I don't want to slow down the group with a bike not fully adapted. Moreover they have the Long Haul Trucker, so it might be more adapted for this trip.

The shop proposed me to do some modifications on the bike : Bar end shifters Microshift 3 x 9 shifters, Sugino XD500T Triple cranset, set of 36H Shimano Deore Hubs laced to Velocity Dyad or similar rims.

Thank you in advance!


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People have different motors and capacity for riding. If there's anything outside the rider that will affect speed it will be load, not the bike. If anything the LHT can take a larger load and if you load it to it's capacity you'll be slower than a CrossCheck with a reduced load. The CrossCheck is a great bike, if you are a light person and want to carry four panniers I'd suggest a set of front panniers for front and rear. I'm on the heavy side and found the CrossCheck wasn't that ideal with a heavy rear load but I'd be more than happy taking it on a long trip with front low riders and sleeping setup on top of rear rack, no rear panniers. The less you carry the more enjoyable the ride.

Looking over your list I'd replace the Surly front rack with a Tubus Tara, consider no rear panniers or another set of front panniers on the rear. The rear Ortliebs are huge and the Surly front rack is unnecessarily heavy and heavy duty for your bike.

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Thank you for your advice! I transmitted it to the shop and they told me that for the "Heal Clearance", it should be fine with my foot, which aren't very big.

It told to the shop that I had already some bike shoes that I especially already bought for the occassions and to train before which are the Specialized Expert Road (Specialized Bicycle Components). He told me that it was highly recommended to take some other type of shoes for example the Northwave Multi App Shoes (MULTI-APP | Northwave.com).
The reason for changing my shoes is that when I will have to dismount/mount my bike I need some shoes with which I can walk. Do you think it is reasonable to change my shoes after having bought the previous ones? Even though that I feel quite comfortable in them.
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Looking over your list I'd replace the Surly front rack with a Tubus Tara, ......... and the Surly front rack is unnecessarily heavy and heavy duty for your bike.
Good advice. I would also go with a Tubus Cargo rack on the back; it is lighter, less expensive, and high quality.
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The shops suggestion makes sense only if you have enough time to ride the new shoes and be certain they are comfortable. Trying out new shoes or a new saddle as you embark on a long journey is not a terribly good idea.
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LHT make great commuter bikes too. I see people riding them everyday without any racks on.
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The Cross Check will accelerate faster and handle better as a commuter, than the LHT.

OTOH, the LHT is a much better tourer when loaded...
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I own an LHT, close friend tours on his CC. Both excellent if built up suitably but if I wanted just one bike to do it all, CC would be my choice.
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