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Old 08-28-14, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug64
After you carried it for 3,000 miles you would still be asking yourself "why"
Or if you came to your senses you would have either thrown it away or mailed it home, long before 3000 miles.
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I'll admit, I've given this one some serious consideration.

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what is it that some of y'all are DOING out there?!? This does just fine for me, fits small, weighs 3 ounces, tough as hell...




Costs $5.00
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Originally Posted by etsisk
what is it that some of y'all are DOING out there?!? This does just fine for me, fits small, weighs 3 ounces, tough as hell...




Costs $5.00

Cool, does it take an edge? ...and don't clean it after use, that way if you have to stab some guy with it gangrene will quickly set in.....

(I mean in the other guy )

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But just don't bring a GSI Cathole Sanitation Trowel (clean or dirty) to a g_nfight......
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the thing is pretty sharp and edged, for what it is. That would likely change over time as you use it to dig, but the serrations would still be there. It would actually make a pretty effective weapon, if you weren't needing immediate lethality (and maybe even that, too, if you caught someone in the neck with it). I pretty much think of it as a cathole digger, though.
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I have a little plastic spade for digging a latrine hole. Far less dramatic than this product.
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Originally Posted by Walter S
I have a little plastic spade for digging a latrine hole.
Oh great, how on earth would you defend yourself with THAT thing.....

(sorry, I find this topic pretty funny.)

Um... living in Texas as I do, I've been flat spoiled when it came to available weaponry, but I cannot talk about that here.

I did just cross 2/3 of the continent with naught but a multitool buried somewhere in a pannier.

One has to balance the exceedingly slim chance of actually needing to defend oneself with the potential legal and practical hassles of carrying on tour the object one might use.

I think I'm gonna get that recycled plastic REI serrated trowel and sharpen it to a razor's edge. I mean, even without giving 'em gangrene you can significantly increase their chance of health problems down the line.....

Trowel is made from repurposed GSI polycarbonate food and beverage products that were pulled from the shelves over growing concerns about the chemical BPA

...plus, it even include reading material in case you forgot to bring some....

Leave No Trace™ guidelines are molded into the back of the trowel so you'll always remember to tread lightly

All that in three ounces? I'm so there.....

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Originally Posted by Walter S
I have a little plastic spade for digging a latrine hole. Far less dramatic than this product.
I find this pretty funny. You actually go through the trouble of digging a hole?
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Originally Posted by boomhauer
I find this pretty funny. You actually go through the trouble of digging a hole?
absolutely - picked up the habit from woodscraft. Not really ethical to not, especially in public parks that get a lot of traffic. If you don't, what you end up with over time is a real mess.
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Originally Posted by etsisk
especially in public parks that get a lot of traffic. If you don't, what you end up with over time is a real mess.
They usually have public toilets for that sort of thing.
Sorry I brought it up.
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Originally Posted by boomhauer
They usually have public toilets for that sort of thing.
Sorry I brought it up.
Don't be sorry! Sure, if there is a public toilet, then yeah, I'll use that - trowel doesn't enter into it at all. But if I'm somewhere camping wild, then it's up to me and the trowel!
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Originally Posted by etsisk
But if I'm somewhere camping wild, then it's up to me and the trowel!
I've heard this before but don't really get it. I guess if there are lots of campers...yeah, I get it. If it's some arid desert where you pack-in-pack out (yuk) ...yeah I get it.
However, cattle and dear and every other creature doesn't dig a hole. In fact, after depositing my Pizza Hut buffet under a county bridge in Kansas I went upstream to fish. Upon returning to the bridge I saw that carp were finishing up my buffet. (they seemed happy).
I've got a masters degree in The Discovery Channel. I've seen what happens in the wild.
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Originally Posted by boomhauer
I've heard this before but don't really get it. I guess if there are lots of campers...yeah, I get it. If it's some arid desert where you pack-in-pack out (yuk) ...yeah I get it.
However, cattle and dear and every other creature doesn't dig a hole. In fact, after depositing my Pizza Hut buffet under a county bridge in Kansas I went upstream to fish. Upon returning to the bridge I saw that carp were finishing up my buffet. (they seemed happy).
I've got a masters degree in The Discovery Channel. I've seen what happens in the wild.
We're not cattle or deer. We're a species that's figured out how to eliminate virtually all natural predators and we're busy crowding out the rest of the species and calling all real-estate our own. I feel compelled to practice leave-no-trace camping. And I often stealth camp on private property. I think it's disrespectful to the property owner and invites trouble for me to leave a big pile of dung where I've been.

Also, I go on weekend camping trips and return to the same places I've been before. I'll find it more pleasant if I didn't leave a mess when I was there last.
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Originally Posted by boomhauer
I find this pretty funny. You actually go through the trouble of digging a hole?
I find this pretty disgusting that you don't. This topic confirms the importance of filtering my water. There's no telling where people like you have been.
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Originally Posted by boomhauer
I find this pretty funny. You actually go through the trouble of digging a hole?

I guess your dog ain't ever found and rolled in human feces, even more fun when you brought the dog there in your car.


A spandex guy who leaves piles of feces behind him is just off the disgusting weirdness scale I'd guess
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We're not cattle or deer
. Uh...we're basically the same thing. That's my point.
And I often stealth camp on private property. I think it's disrespectful to the property owner and invites trouble for me to leave a big pile of dung where I've been.
Try proof reading before you contradict yourself.
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I guess your dog ain't ever found and rolled in human feces, even more fun when you brought the dog there in your car.


A spandex guy who leaves piles of feces behind him is just off the disgusting weirdness scale I'd guess
I hate dogs (for this and other reasons) i've actually seen them eat human feces. I don' wear spandex. Sorry if you think pooping in the woods is weird. It happens all the time.
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I can't imagine carrying that big heavy shovel. It seems completely ludicrous and I thought the OP was joking.

When backpacking I carry a wide snow/sand tent stake if regulations or conditions require it. When the rules don't require it and the conditions make digging a hole with a stick possible I don't carry a digging devivce.

When bike touring I find that it is fairly seldom that I need to defecate in the wild. I have gone coast to coast a couple times and done other long tours and it is a somewhat infrequent occurrence to not use indoor plumbing or an outhouse for that purpose and the handful of times that it does occur on a tour digging with a stick works.
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Some folks just don't get it, as obvious as it seems to other folks. And both sides are saying "damn straight!"
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Leave no trace = cat-hole OR carry-out.

That said, digging a cat-hole doesn't require a trenching tool.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
I can't imagine carrying that big heavy shovel. It seems completely ludicrous and I thought the OP was joking.

When backpacking I carry a wide snow/sand tent stake if regulations or conditions require it. When the rules don't require it and the conditions make digging a hole with a stick possible I don't carry a digging devivce.

When bike touring I find that it is fairly seldom that I need to defecate in the wild. I have gone coast to coast a couple times and done other long tours and it is a somewhat infrequent occurrence to not use indoor plumbing or an outhouse for that purpose and the handful of times that it does occur on a tour digging with a stick works.
I've done a lot of touring and randonneuring and my toilet needs have generally been met along the way with gas stations, pubs or fast food joints.

When I did my course in tour guiding, we were taught that deep holes are not the best for human waster. Go too far down below the topsoil level, and the microbes that do the break-down don't exist. A shallow hole is much better, and I use the heel of my shoe to dig a depression, and use the shoe to push the dirt back over the little pile (and no, there is no crap gets on the shoe). I try to pick a location that is both private and unlikely for others to encounter.

I can tell you that as a parks and gardens officer for a rural council for several years, some of the most offensive moments were cleaning up the sort of crap that some posters here have expounded is OK doing around informal campsites; interestingly, the lack of manners in managing toilet waste seems to go with an inability to gather up other rubbish around the sites.

Human waste on the farm where I work now is one reason why we don't let in cyclists, hikers, recreational vehiclers, or boaties.

However, having said all that, the worst thing about people's outdoor toilet habits is the toilet paper. At the very least, ensure it is covered entirely with dirt before you leave or better still, bag it in a ziploc bag and take it with you.
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When I did my course in tour guiding, we were taught that deep holes are not the best for human waster. Go too far down below the topsoil level, and the microbes that do the break-down don't exist.
That makes good sense. And it happens to fit conveniently with my rather lazy style of digging

At the very least, ensure it is covered entirely with dirt before you leave
Always.

or better still, bag it in a ziploc bag and take it with you.
Yuk. Never.
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shoot, get an OPSAK from Aloksak, put in a large baggie that you've spray painted black (have a few extras), spray in a bunch of anti-bacterial/anti-odor spray, and there ya go - you put it in the baggie, put the baggie in the OPSAK, you can't see it, you can't smell it. When it gets full-ish, toss the baggie into the trash when you get to a trashcan. It's not that big a deal.

And yep, six to eight inches deep, six inches across. Unless you're in the desert, then four to six inches deep.
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The Russian style one is sold by an edged weapons company the rest are for digging. Your fantasies either run to decapitating hobos, or being a plumber, take your choice.
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