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Old 08-25-14, 06:20 PM
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Any experiences with cool weather touring with a MSR Hubba-1

Next year I will use less equipment and continue touring in the Australian winter. Temps at night are frosts to maybe +8C I want to use a lighter tent than before and now have a MSR Hubba-1.

Any experiences with this tent and condensation at temps of -4C to +10C? Any comments at all on this tent and touring with it. Just needed a light reliable 1-person tent and a used one in good condition came up - so I bought it. Now hope for experienced users advice ...

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One thing that cuts way down on condensation inside tents in cold weather is use of a vapor-barrier liner inside the sleeping bag. I use this to extend the temperature rating of my bag when the temperature is going to be significantly below freezing, but a side effect is that it greatly reduces the amount of moisture loss from my skin during the night and therefore the possibility of that moisture condensing on the cold tent wall. I've also noticed that I tend not to be nearly as thirsty in the morning.
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And what is this vapour barrier made of? Where to purchase? Any other evaluations of said vapour barrier in sleeping bags?
I am very familiar with TYVEK used in building houses.
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-4C isn't cold at all for that tent. It's double-wall, so condensation should be very little issue, unless you make a habit of camping in damp meadows or creek valleys. That tent is very popular among the three-season backpacking crowd in the US. It can handle sub-freezing temps and light snow.

The camper's experience is another matter, and is much more important than the gear.
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New guy here, but with backpacking and ul trekking experience. The MSR Hubba series is very nice - not the lightest of all and the Hubba-1 is pretty small - but not a bad setup. With the dble-wall, it'll provide enough ventilation to avoid terrible condensation - just be careful about how close the fly is to the ground and give yourself enough room so you won't be bumping around against the fly in the morning. I went from REI products to a homemade tarptent, then a Big Agnes Seedhouse UL (the BEST solo imho-although BA now has something called the 'Slater' you may want to check out), and finally evolved to a tarp and hammock setup -- which I love. Sea to Summit makes a great bag liner that adds some warmth and extends your temp range (I think they have two models now).

My personal preference in that weather is to hang a cold-weather tarp, maybe an 11X10 (look at Warbonnet tarps, Jacks 'R Better, and Wilderness Logics), hang my double-layer hammock with a ccf pad (maybe supplemented with some car windshield reflective stuff), and use a 20F quilt. My hammock, tarp, and pad is about 44 oz. Add a 29-oz quilt and you get the picture. If I'm on th ground, I just stake the tarp, toss down some Tyvek, and I'm in business.

If you modularize well you'd be surprised as how light and compact you can go. Check out some of the UL backpacking sites as well.

ymmv. Hope this helps.
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It's usually a nylon bag liner with waterproof coating, they've been used for 30 years in the US, quite effective.
Vapor Barrier Liner Regular, 41360 | Blankets, Throws, Liners & Sheets | Sleeping Gear | GEAR | items from Campmor.

Don't use Tyvek.

Here's the dope, Vapor Barrier | Stephenson's Warmlite
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Australian north is quite tropical.. Darwin, Cairns ..

Costa Rica, Trinidad is on that latitude in the northern Hemisphere.
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Australian north is quite tropical.. Darwin, Cairns ...
Yes and when I rode the Savannah Way in 2006 (Cairns to Darwin via Borooloola and Roper River Rd) I used a Hennessy Hammock - but the Atherton Tablelands were cold at night. Closer to the gulf it was pleasant using the hammock. Lots of trees and easy to set up. The fly was essential because of the dew.

This year, the southern part of Western Australia was cold at night in July when I car toured. Pemberton (WA) and other places had frost on the windscreen at sunrise. I expect the same along the entire Eyre Hwy next July-August with rains for the first 500 km going east too.

The hammock is out for the next bike trip - cold underside even with insulated mylar "bubble pad", AND there are places where trees are puny - and even non-existent for days on end. It is amazing how much warmer it is sleeping on the ground - even with the hammock I discovered - hence another reason for the tent approach. I spoke to several bike tourers at Kalgoorlie and Norseman in early August (while car camping) and they ALL talked about the cold nights and the difficulty with sleeping. All used tents. Wet tents were an issue for some, hence my desire for a good tent - but light. My Nallo 2GT is too heavy (and too big to pack on the bike) I have discovered. In hindsight, the Hilleberg Akto would have been better. No matter, as the Hubba-1 should do the task - from all the comments I have received.

Good idea to not have the rain fly right to the bottom (except during rain) to give added ventilation - but the fly will be needed because of the dew and cold nights..

A couple (I met in Kalgoorlie) riding west across the Nullabore said to drink the tap water from the roadhouse taps because the bottled drinking water was sold for as much as $6 a liter - it had to be transported from Perth or at least Kalgoorlie. Putting this transport issue into perspective in "the outback",petrol in some places (Wiluna) was $1.98/liter. Poor taste but still water for hydration needs - after all this trip will be self-supporting

I saw the actual disappearance/lack of trees around August 11th on the Indian Pacific train (going east). Mind you, by Ceduna the trees returned.
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I've read a ground sheet can cut down on condensation with a tent.
Some say my tent (Macpac Microlight) suffers from condensation but i'm unsure what "suffers" suggests.
Yes when I wake in the morning there is some water on the inside of the fly but none in the inner of the tent.
No problem with packing the tent away wet when on tour as it only takes about half an hour tops in the heat of the afternoon for the fly to dry again completely in warm weather.

Yes water prices on the Nullarbor are expensive but more of a fright if you'd not been aware of it.
When I came across you could get water at Yallata from the closed caravan park (which is on the far left of roadside settlement).
There were tanks for collecting rain water from the building at the rear.
The houses with the heavily barred windows and doors were resident police buildings and I asked there and was told to go to the caravan park and help myself.

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Condensation should not be a problem with any double walled tent with a lot of mesh in the tent body.

This is the same tent we use for bike touring. We have used it touring in temps ranging from -2C to 43C, and for late season snow camping down to -8C. There can be condensation on the rain flies of most tents in almost any season, which is not an issue.
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