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Old 08-30-14, 10:49 PM
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Preparation for 1500 mile tour. Need advice.

I have got all sorts of questions and would appreciate it if someone could answer one or two or even all.

I am going on a 1500 mile bike tour next August or September(about a year from now).

The route has some hills for about the first 50-miles and then get's kind of flat for a while before getting a bit hilly again around the last 200-300-miles on the way there. And I plan on taking the same route on the way back.

>First off, am I physically ready? I have accomplished a ride of 144-miles in a day and have done a total of 7-centuries this past year on my Trek 7.1FX. I have also been averaging about 30-miles per day for the past 3-months(I did the math) and believe I could've done more had I wanted to.
But am I ready to tour fully loaded from Springdale, Arkansas to Pensacola, Florida and then back to Springdale? What are the biggest challenges I'm likely to face and how do I overcome them?(This is going to be my first tour).

>What all should I pack?
>Should I camp with a tent, hammock, or tarp shelter?
>What speeds should I try to average?(I average about 13-14mph with a light load on my Trek 7.1 FX).
>With an aluminum framed bike, should I look into panniers or a 2-wheel trailer(I dislike 1-wheel trailers due to the stress they put on the frame)? Or is it a personal preference? Which would put less stress on the bike?
>How much money should I expect to spend per day?
>How many relaxation days should I plan?
>How should I spend the next year in terms of preparation(physically and mentally)?

>Any other advice would be VERY appreciated?
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a year is too far in the future to think about those types of questions. many, if answered, won't be applicable in a year.

find somewhere you can go on a weekend within the next month or two, you'll find the answers, FOR YOU, soon enough.
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The biggest challenge will be between your ears, in my experience. There will be up days and down days. Getting through the down days, caused by doubt or actual difficulties, is solely up to you.

Added: I just noticed you said you're going to do this tour in August/September or next year. Then you know you'll be in the heat of the summer/early Fall. Add to that the humidity of the Deep South and you'll be challenged to keep yourself well-hydrated and cool. You'll need to pay attention to how you feel and know the signs of heat stroke and heat exhaustion - especially if you're soloing. Don't be afraid to stop and look for a shady spot to rest. Eat something. Be sure to have enough water to drink a full 16oz if needed.

It sounds like you're in the physical shape to ride the distance, provided you pace yourself. Are you looking to meet a deadline at the halfway or end point? Then you should adjust your pace accordingly - start earlier and ride faster maybe? Most of the people I know who have toured are averaging 50-85 miles a day but some have ridden as few as 25 and other have done 150 or more in a single day (and yes, I mean fully loaded). Speed? I've seen peole ride nearly 20,ph for hours with light loads and others barely manage 6mph riding heavily loaded trikes and stopping often to sniff the roadside roses and/or just talk with people they meet. What's your style? That will determine your speed.

What you pack is a subject related to what you intend to do along the way. Are you primarily or only camping? During what time of the year? You definitely won't need a 4-season tent on that route, but tarps alone offer no protection from mosquitoes and other nasties. 3-season tents under 5 pounds are very commonly used, hammock-tents less often and just tarps the least. Pick your poison based on your tolerance of weight and need for protection from the elements, flora and fauna. Also, consider what you're going to do if it rains all day? Stay under a 5 x 7 foot tarp? Rent a room?

Space requirements - are you cooking or buying all your food along the way? The former requires a means to carry it - panniers or trailer. The latter and you can almost get away with a handlebar bag, a rear rack and a single racktop bag. Carry no more than you need but no less than is necessary. This includes cooking gear/food as well as tools, clothes and first aid stuff. Oh, and what about electronics?

Panniers vs trailers - sorry. Whole flame wars have been written about this argument. Ultimately, it's a question of what you're comfortable with and what your bike can handle. With panniers, you need a way to attach them to the frame - does your bike have the appropriate braze-ons or are you able to use p-clamps to support lighter loads? Trailer-wise - single-wheel vs double wheel... how many wheel paths do you want to have to keep track of while riding through bad sections? Single-wheel trailers do put a bit more strain on the rear triangle but lots of people use them (think Bob trailers) while others swear by dual-wheel Burley cargo trailers or even Extra-wheel trailers. The internet is your friend here - do some searches and read at least 3 reviews on each. Personally I prefer panniers or the Burley cargo trailer because I tour on either a recumbent bike or trike - the bike can't handle the stress on the rear triangle. I've done only a single tour on a DF and that was with both front and rear panniers.

Cost per day? Lol. You can spend as much or as little as you have. I've read a few journals of "tweens" doing the dumpster diving route and other people literally eating better than I eat at home, with the attendant grocery bill (and they weren't even eating in restaurants!). Your costs are comprised of daily meals, overnighting fees, consumables, and emergency needs at a minimum. I routinely figure about $35 a day as I stealth camp about half the time - but that's me. Others count on Warm Showers hosts to cut their costs (but to me that's freeloading - no offense to those who see it differently).

Finally, you've got a year to prepare. So, find out if you can haul a 30-50 pound load for 40-79 miles (or whatever your average daily mileage will be) over multiple days. Do a short tour or two over a long weekend to test out your equipment.Find out what works for you and what doesn't. Ex., hydration packs work well for me locally but on tours I prefer bottles. Become really familiar with basic bike repair if you're not already - at least as pertains to flats and cable adjustments.

Read some journals of other people's tours. If it happened to them, it can happen to you - both the good and the bad.

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You are worrying too much.

First of all, you are physically ready. 1500 miles only sounds a long way. Actually, over the course of a month it's only 50 miles per day. My longest tour was 2500 miles over two months, and many here have done much, much longer tours. I tended to average about 60 miles per day, but that's only because around five hours per day on the bike seemed right to me. And pottering along at that pace meant I had one or two days a week when I didn't ride, but took time to look around the places I was passing through.

And that answers your question about speed. Obviously, it varies hugely with terrain and weather. But over a long tour, fully loaded with >30lbs of gear, I find I tend to average around 12 mph.

As far as your other questions are concerned, everything is a matter of personal preference. I happen to dislike trailers and loathe backpacks, so I use panniers. I take a tent, but often use B&Bs and motels. I don't plan my routes in detail, but leave room to improvise and turrn aside to go and look at places that seem interesting.

One of the great joys of touring is that you can do whatever seems a good idea at the time. Relax.
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Start doing some weekend tours ... experiment with distance, equipment, etc. ... and you might be able to answer your own questions.
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Anticipation is half the fun. You got time for a lot of that. Don't burn out with 'conditioning' rides. Sounds like you're in better condition now than many who tour. Touring is more about attitude than physical condition.

Buy the best you can afford. If touring turns out to be your 'thing', the good stuff will serve you well for a long time. Otherwise, you can easily sell quality gear and recover maybe half your investment.

Pack as little as possible to meet your needs. Every ounce does count. Do a couple of overnighters before heading to Florida.

Considering 25-28mm tires. Lighter and more responsive than the stock tires.

If possible, delay the start until late September, or October.

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I am retired. Another retired guy and I averaged fewer miles per day than almost everybody else that we met while riding from Astoria to San Francisco this year. And I think neither of us would survive the training regimen you are carrying out. So, you are physically capable. How many miles per day?, how fast will you travel?, how many rest days do you need?, that is all up to you.

How much to spend? Depends on how fancy the restaurants are versus the Ramen noodles you can make on an alcohol stove. All up to you.

Aug and Sep in the deep south, are you starting out at 5am every day and quitting by the time the sun gets halfway up? As noted above by dual650c, the heat will get you before anything else does. I almost never ride in the 90s, in the upper 80s it is not uncommon for me to go thru five water bottles of 26 oz capacity during the ride portion of a day. You might want to bring some good bike lights if you find that the heat is getting to you so you can get some miles in very early morning.

Are you doing this solo? Do you really think it a good idea to do a long trip without some weekend or week long trips first to find out what works and what does not? If this will be your first trip, do you have a contingency bailout plan. I have no idea if Amtrak runs in your area or not, but if it does, then knowing where the Amtrak luggage stations are in case you decide to quit could be a good bailout plan.
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Originally Posted by Isaiahc72

>First off, am I physically ready? I have accomplished a ride of 144-miles in a day and have done a total of 7-centuries this past year on my Trek 7.1FX. I have also been averaging about 30-miles per day for the past 3-months(I did the math) and believe I could've done more had I wanted to.
But am I ready to tour fully loaded from Springdale, Arkansas to Pensacola, Florida and then back to Springdale? What are the biggest challenges I'm likely to face and how do I overcome them?(This is going to be my first tour).
You sound pretty fit. when you have your bike and gear set you should go on a number of test rides to make sure......remember touring is not a race so you can take your time.

>What all should I pack?
Read the gear lists of other tourists.

>Should I camp with a tent, hammock, or tarp shelter?
This is personal preference....but I use a single walled lightweight Tarptent Contrail tent.

>What speeds should I try to average?(I average about 13-14mph with a light load on my Trek 7.1 FX).
You don't need to average any speed

>With an aluminum framed bike, should I look into panniers or a 2-wheel trailer(I dislike 1-wheel trailers due to the stress they put on the frame)? Or is it a personal preference? Which would put less stress on the bike?
It depends on how much weight you carry...personally I hate the hassle of trailers, and actually the hassle of panniers too.

>How much money should I expect to spend per day?
This is highly variable....$20 to $100 if you decide to get a motel room and eat fancy.

>How many relaxation days should I plan?
I like to take one a week
>How should I spend the next year in terms of preparation(physically and mentally)?
Keep riding and once you have your gear do some one, two or three day test trips. Read people's blogs over at crazyguyonabike.com: Bicycle Touring: A place for bicycle tourists and their journals

>Any other advice would be VERY appreciated?
Enjoy yourself and don't worry quite so much.
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Your first day will likely be the hardest . That a pretty tough place to start because of the hills and you will be nervous . You will likely push too hard. Plan the first day carefully. After that you are golden. Your bike is a good one. Panniers will be fine. I've got something similar with no problems what so ever. You are in much better shape than me.
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>First off, am I physically ready? I have accomplished a ride of 144-miles in a day and have done a total of 7-centuries this past year on my Trek 7.1FX. I have also been averaging about 30-miles per day for the past 3-months(I did the math) and believe I could've done more had I wanted to. .

You don't need to be in that great of shape to tour. Just being fairly fit and having a little saddle time makes things go better, but if you were willing to start out real easy you could start with no training at all.

>What all should I pack?

As little as you personally can get by with.

>Should I camp with a tent, hammock, or tarp shelter?

That depends on your preferences. I like to use a bivy or bug bivy with a light tarp. The whole deal is about a pound. When I packed heavier I used a tent. Some people love hammocks, I only recommend them for folks who are not comfortable on a pad the ground.

>What speeds should I try to average?(I average about 13-14mph with a light load on my Trek 7.1 FX).

Don't worry about it. Have an open ended schedule and ride as fast or far as you feel like on any given day.

>With an aluminum framed bike, should I look into panniers or a 2-wheel trailer(I dislike 1-wheel trailers due to the stress they put on the frame)? Or is it a personal preference? Which would put less stress on the bike?

Purely personal preference. My preference was panniers, but these days I pack light enough that I sometimes just strap on a couple stuff sacks

>How much money should I expect to spend per day?

Widely variable. How resourceful are you? How frugal are you? It can be almost nothing except food or you can splurge on all sorts of things.

>How many relaxation days should I plan?

Again personal preference. I tend to prefer riding every day most of the time, but do take a short or half day here or there. I make an exception for places like the Yosemite Valley where I spent a week.

>How should I spend the next year in terms of preparation(physically and mentally)?

Meh, I figure that is kind of a non issue.

>Any other advice would be VERY appreciated?

Check out my two articles at:
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/Ultralight
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https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/frugal

The ultralight one has some useful info even if you won't be packing super light.

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CGOAB does lists, too .. https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/categories/?o=Sh&category_id=212&doctype=journal to see what others packed.

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How much do you expect to spend per day? For me on my recent trip finish this past week I averaged $15.50/day eating out breakfast and supper, nothing fancy. I was stealth camping every night. Other than a new chain and new rear tire the only thing I spent money on during the trip was laundry every three or four days. Yes, I could have cut the cost by 50-60% quite easily, cookout versus eat out. It was a 5200 mile trip.

So much of what you are asking is quite easy found out through experience. For me I did a stretch of 14 straight days without any days off...most days riding 80-130 miles/day. I was getting worn down by the end of it. Granted knowing the trip was about over I was also getting roadsick two days before I ever got home. I thought that didn't happen until the trip was over

As to how to carry the skies the limit. I use a backpack all the time as my road bike doesn't have braze-ons.

Tent...set mine up only 4 or 5 nights the entire trip. Granted I set up camp late, 11PM or after and numerous times the temperature was already below 60 degrees by then. As a result I didn't have bugs to deal with so I didn't need the tent to keep the bugs off so I would just throw the tent over top of me and use it for the extra warmth it provided. Their were quite a few nights I didn't even pull the sleeping bag out. Pretty much if it was going to be above 60 I wouldn't pull the sleeping bag out at all I would just throw the tent over me and it would trap the body heat right up against me and keeping me warm all night long. I'm seriously looking at swapping out to a bivy come next year. It would save pack space and weight.

Everything depends on you and like so many other people have already said the only way you are going to find out how you operate is to go out and do some overnighters or 3-4 nighters.
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Tent...set mine up only 4 or 5 nights the entire trip.
That reminds me... I should have mentioned that I often start out on top of the bivy with no tarp if rain doesn't seem too likely and the bugs aren't biting. I climb in as conditions dictate and pull the tarp over me if rain starts. If rain seems at all likely I set up the tarp right from the get go.

I have often slept in places like under picnic pavilions or other places sheltered from the rain. So no tarp was necessary there, but I'd still carry it even for trips where I expect to not need it. It is only 7 oz and good insurance against a little rain.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
That reminds me... I should have mentioned that I often start out on top of the bivy with no tarp if rain doesn't seem too likely and the bugs aren't biting. I climb in as conditions dictate and pull the tarp over me if rain starts. If rain seems at all likely I set up the tarp right from the get go.

I have often slept in places like under picnic pavilions or other places sheltered from the rain. So no tarp was necessary there, but I'd still carry it even for trips where I expect to not need it. It is only 7 oz and good insurance against a little rain.
I watch the weather forecast all the time and if there's any hint of rain in the forecast I go looking immediately for park pavilions, baseball dugouts, churches with drive up overhangs, etc and just stay out of the rain. It worked quite well for me on the recent trip. Granted the dry weather also helped. I don't think I ever remember such dry weather. I only had a couple of partial rainy days in MD/PA and then a couple of night out in IL and maybe another coming back in NY. Otherwise it was dry...not what I was expecting to say the least.
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One more thing, I found that when camping in hot weather, a sleeping bag is just tooooo warm. I start out using just a sleeping bag liner, silk or microfiber, then as the weather cools during the night, more of me gets into the sleeping bag. This is best done in a tent. I got the liner initially on the recommendation of a co-worker, she was saying that when you do not have opportunity to get clean, a liner helps keep your sleeping bag much cleaner. But once I got it I found it was great for those hot nights when it was too warm for the sleeping bag but too cool for nothing.
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One more thing, I found that when camping in hot weather, a sleeping bag is just tooooo warm. I start out using just a sleeping bag liner, silk or microfiber, then as the weather cools during the night, more of me gets into the sleeping bag. This is best done in a tent. I got the liner initially on the recommendation of a co-worker, she was saying that when you do not have opportunity to get clean, a liner helps keep your sleeping bag much cleaner. But once I got it I found it was great for those hot nights when it was too warm for the sleeping bag but too cool for nothing.
Yeah, I do something similar except I usually don't take a liner. I start out uncovered, partially cover using the sleeping bag as a quilt, and progress from there. I don't get why you say it is best done in a tent unless you are referring to buggy conditions. I much prefer to sleep out in the open on hot nights unless the bugs are biting. When it is hot, a tent blocks the breeze and keeps in some of your body heat. Plus it is nice to see the stars.
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Thank you for all the great responses so far. It's very useful.
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Having many years of touring experience I can say that preparation is over rated. Get in decent shape to ride 30-50 miles a day, pack light and ride. I am doing the Southern Tier in the spring and plan on doing a lot of the planning on the fly. That means planing a days ride the night before if possible. Even then, things change. There have been days when I planned 50 miles and only do around 30. There have been days that when I get to a destination I find I'm early, feel good and just keep on riding.

In short, have a tentative plan but don't feel committed to it. Take time to smell the roses, meet people and see things. Don't be in a hurry to get to the end of your tour, which by the way, happens quite often. Enjoy your adventure.
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