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Old 12-05-14, 10:26 AM
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Show me your modernized "vintage" touring bike

There is a longish thread with old road bikes that have been "modernized" with STI and the like. I have an old touring bike (a Trek 720) and I'm thinking of spreading the frame to 135 mm and running a "modern" touring set up. The new stuff isn't light years better than the old stuff but I like the ease with which you can get parts and I prefer, everything being equal, to touring on a 3 x 9 than a 3 x 6 or 3 x 7.

I haven't seen any "modernized" vintage touring bikes so I'd love to see pics and get some ideas. I'd also like to generate a discussion whether this is a good idea or not. I figure BF is always good for generating discussions, . Thanks!

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Old 12-05-14, 12:03 PM
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Sounds like you already know about the monster thread on C&V showing vintage bikes with newer shifting systems.

Several of the bikes in this thread have been upgraded as you suggest:

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ke-set-up.html

Not a loaded tourer like the Trek 720, but here's my 1987 Marinoni SLX Sports Tourer with a somewhat more modern drivetrain (click on the image to see more detailed shots):



My personal preference is 8-speed triples, using Campagnolo Ergo shifters and Shimano hubs and cassettes. The shifters last a very long time, and are rebuildable with a few inexpensive parts; 8-speed chains last longer than higher speed versions; and I can assemble "custom cassettes from my large stash of loose cogs, although good quality and range new Shimano and SRAM cassettes are readily available. Wheels Mfg makes a spacer set for just this adaptation.
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Show me your modernized "vintage" touring bike

I "modernised" my Miyata 100 through the years from 1986. Problems I had along the way were:

Dropout spacing for modern hubs (126mm to 130mm)
Long brake calipers going from 27 to 28 wheels
Originally being 7 speed indexed, I went to 8 then 9 with friction shifters.

A few years ago I bought a modern Bob Jackson frame and moved everything over except the crank as I went triple (at last)

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135 is for mountain bike hubs. You only have to spread your frame to 130mm for modern road hubs, which are fine for touring. You don't need to stop at 9 speed. Mountain bike drivetrains went up to 11 speed this year, and I've been touring on a ten speed setup for several years. I use a mountain cassette, mountain RD, road crankset (my own sized rings), road FD, and road shifters (indexed bar ends). If you use bar end shifters, you'll also have the option of swapping out the cantilever brakes on your Trek for v-brakes. You'll need to purchase direct-pull drop bar levers, but the v-brakes will have stronger action with lower hand force. You'll also be able to get rid of those annoying brake cable hangars. Plus, bar end shifters are dirt cheap and you can splurge on Dura Ace.
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bikemig, A modernized 720 should be a hoot.

IMHO a good frame is worthy of updating and modern bits and bobs are much more plentiful than C&V items. My touring bikes are old, if not quite C&V, and work very well indeed. Both have 135 mm OLD rear drop outs, but I really don't know how much stronger that makes a rear wheel compared to 130 mm OLD. My primary touring bike was changed from 7S to 8S mainly because I had plenty of 8S parts in the bin.

Have fun with the build.

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I'm not sure how spreading a 126mm frame to 135 will affect the canti bosses. I spread a single speed cruiser frame from 120mm to 135 and the bosses were definitely affected, I had to run the canti pads with their posts almost completely extended. Let me know how it goes if you try it.
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Old 12-05-14, 03:40 PM
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I'm just here to see some retroed Sekais... now someone just needs to post them.
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here's one. 79 trek, stripped singlespeed, powdercoated, bought as frame and fork via craigslist, mixed editions of mid 80's shimano components. when touring i use a 39t chainring, larger cog and switch tires to 1 1/8x27".



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You tour on that Yellow thing ? where do you carry your Lunch let alone the camping gear ?
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i keep my camping gear on an old blackburn rack and i keep my lunches at 7-eleven.
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i keep my camping gear on an old blackburn rack and i keep my lunches at 7-eleven.
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
I have an old touring bike (a Trek 720)
The 720 was a real classic & worthy of re-configuring w/ modern gear.
Unlike the current crop of "touring" bikes that IMHO are overbuilt and ride like lumber wagons the 720 has a plush albeit a bit flexible ride that I like.
If equipped correctly it still makes a fine tourer, and perhaps an excellent LD/bad weather machine.

What wheel size are you considering? 27" was OEM "back when" and the cantilever studs are where they are.

130 spacing would suffice for a 3x9 or 3x10. Interesting project.

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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
The 720 was a real classic & worthy of re-configuring w/ modern gear.
Unlike the current crop of "touring" bikes that IMHO are overbuilt and ride like lumber wagons the 720 has a plush albeit a bit flexible ride that I like.
If equipped correctly it still makes a fine tourer, and perhaps an excellent LD/bad weather machine.

What wheel size are you considering? 27" was OEM "back when" and the cantilever studs are where they are.

130 spacing would suffice for a 3x9 or 3x10. Interesting project.

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The Trek 720 was designed, as you point out, for 27 inch wheels but I've been running 700c wheels on my bike since I bought the frame in '83. I've been using a pair of very old school modolo cantilever brakes that work on the narrow (by modern standards) canti posts with 700c wheels. They brakes are plenty old and I'll need to find new brakes that will work with this set up.

130 mm will work as you point out but 135 means a little less dish. Still it's easy to spread the frame to 128 and that way it can work with a 130 or a 126 old wheel. These are the cantis (and the bike). The bike needs a paint job. Once I paint it, I need to decide whether to "modernize" it. I'm curious whether anyone else has done this to an old, classic touring bike:

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What did you use to use a regular transverse cable instead of the pairs of fixed length double ended cables that those Modolo Cross Brakes Came with?
whats on the Left side end?

I changed the components on My 85 Specialized Expedition, then I built a special frame for it's components

, then I got away from derailleurs entirely when, I found this , used on this side of the Pond
(they dont even have Dealers in the US) http://www.cyclofiend.com/working/20...clark1008.html

anyone want to drag the pictures on to this thread please do .

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I have extensively modernized my 1985 Trek 720, with only the brake calipers, the frame, the headset, the front derailleur, and the front racks being original. Dropouts are 130mm, and I had Peter White build 27" wheels (36 spoke Tiagra hubs with Sun CR-18 rims). Cassette is 8 speed (13-32 made by taking the 14 cog out of a 13-26 cassette, and swapping in a 32 cog). Crankset is Deore 22-32-44. This gives me a range from around 18 to 92 gear inches. Brake levers are Tektros, much better than the old style levers in my opinion.

This is a great bike and I am glad I have modern components on it (I didn't fancy messing around with the original Helicomatic hub). I commute on it, ride around town on it, and tour on it.

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I modernized this Specialized Expedition with a Shimano XT drivetrain, Dura Ace bar end shifters, Paul brakes and a Chris King headset. I bought it on ebay for $100 and reworked it. I tour on it and it is my daily commuter. I can't believe how comfortable this bike is. Most recent addition is a generator hub and lights. I chose a Luxos U for the charging capabilities. So far it is working great, however the I actually notice the extra weight I have added.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
What did you use to use a regular transverse cable instead of the pairs of fixed length double ended cables that those Modolo Cross Brakes Came with?
whats on the Left side end?

. . .
It's just a transverse cable. I used the bits and pieces from the modolo cantis that fit on the cantis and then a piece that screwed on the transverse cable on the left to hold it all together.
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bikemig, Instead of spreading the rear to 135 mm, how about using an asymmetrical rim? Velocity Rims from Peter White Cycles

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mdilthey, bigmig, bradtx, surfjimc, OldZephyr, fietsbob, hueyhoolihan, and Bandera:
Excuse me for intruding into this thread, but I had a similar thought about modifying my Bridgestone RB-1 for paved road touring. It has the threaded eyelets near the front & rear drop outs for mounting lightweight racks, but mainly I'm thinking of getting one of these:

https://www.biketrailershop.com/extr...JfpRoC7Lvw_wcB
The weight of the load is almost completely supported by the trailer tire and not shared between the bike's rear tire and trailer tire (unlike BOB trailer).
Aside from eventually getting a triple crank (Sugino 600, IIRC), is there some reason I shouldn't put on a set of 700x28 or 700x32 tires and head for Florida, pulling my gear behind me? I will grant that the RB-1's wheelbase is very short, so in automobile terms, this is a bit like going cross country in a Mazda Miata, pulling a small trailer. Should I continue my search for an RB-T, or Trek or Specialized bike with a bonafide touring frame? Yes, I already have an overbuilt touring bike, a Safari, and it does feel like I'm pedaling a lumber truck, especially when I look at my average speed for the day. Not that there's anything wrong with that (just a case of bicycle envy, mostly about the bicycles that passed me on the road). Or should I have started a new thread? Seems to be in the ball park of this one, unless I'm wrong, which I frequently am.
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