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Old 12-31-14, 01:47 AM
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I'm planning my first load cycling tour soon, I've bought myself a Kona Sutra to take me the 4000km distance in Asia Korea/Japan, I'm now looking into panniers and I'm wondering if 65L (front 25L and rear 40L) will be enough space, I will be camping every night and cooking for myself, I have 2 other people coming with me, I would also like room to carry a couple of good sets of clothes with me so I can go clubbing when I reach the major cities. I also expect the temp to range from 3 to 25 degrees C. The following is a list of items and location on the bike I plan to take, at the end of the list I have a couple of things i'm not sure if I should take or not. So i'm also hoping to get some advice from others on my list of equipment.

==Rider
1 Riding long-sleeve top
1 pair pants & Shorts for cycling
1 pair MTB cleat shoes
1 pairs of socks
1 pairs of underwear
Watch
1 pair sunglasses
bike helmet
rearview mirror

==On Bike
Front and Rear Light
2X 1L Water bottles
Bike Lock
garmin GPS

==Rear/Front Panniers(Water Proof)
Jacket gartex
Pants gortex
Hootchie/Tarp (for covering bike or gound cover for tent
1 pair waterproof socks
thermals/base layers
1 skull cap/balaclava
gloves cold weather riding
waterproof helmet cover/ shower caps x2 (also for leather seat)
2 t-shirts
bicycle riding pants and top
1 pair pants for off the bike
2 pairs of socks
2 pairs of underwear
Trash Bags
Mirco Fiber towel
2 pairs of Off bike shoes hiking/clubbing
Good Shirt
Long sleeve over shirt
1 toiletry bag with shampoo, toothbrush, etc
sleeping bag
sleeping mat self inflating
Small tent

==Top Tube Bag
Small camera
Mobile Phone & Headphones
sunscreen
Passport/wallet

==Common (Shared between the two bikes)
3 cutlery sets
GSI - Bugaboo Camper
knives, peeler
Cooking Stove/gas
SLR camera
Laptop
zip tie
hoochie cord
first aid kit
Pump
Tyre Leavers/Patch Kit
Spare Tube
Bike multi tool W/ allen key set. Whrenches, screw drivers
Tyre valve adapter
Fiberfix kit
Adjustable Wrench

==Undicided if they are needed
Grease/Lubes/Rags - mabye
spare folded tyre - mabye
extra pannnier top hooks - mabye
Spoke Wrench - mabye
Spokes - mabye
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There is a fair amount of vagueness in exactly what the clothing and some other items are like. Best to assemble it all, pack it in something, and measure how much room it all needs. I'd say that if it doesn't fit in 65 liters (possibly with tent on top of rack), that you ought to go over the list cutting and cutting until it does.

On your undecided items I'd say...
Grease no, chain lube yes, rag maybe
Spare tire no
Extra pannier top hooks, I have no idea what that means
Spoke wrench yes
Spokes yes

Personally I'd also skip the laptop, skip the tarp, consider skipping the SLR, and cut way back on shoes and clothing.

Also, I take at least one inner tube per rider.

There is a lot of variability in the size of items, and I recommend striving for smaller less bulky ones. For example a towel can be wash cloth sized or beach towel sized, I'd lean toward wash cloth sized.
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Thanks for your response, quite helpful. with regards to the spokes where do you store them since they are a bit long and may get bent in the panniers?
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Thanks for your response, quite helpful. with regards to the spokes where do you store them since they are a bit long and may get bent in the panniers?
Tape the spokes to the seat stay, or somewhere in the rear triangle. Use a little extra duct tape, for a spare stash.

I agree in minimizing bulky clothing. One way to look at it is that you should be able to wear all your clothing at the same time, as an integrated layering system. Some exceptions, of course, but it's a guideline.
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I might not take MTB cleat shoes, and just take a pair on jogging shoes instead, that way I wont need to take a pair of hiking shoes.
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Thanks for your response, quite helpful. with regards to the spokes where do you store them since they are a bit long and may get bent in the panniers?
I have taped them to the rack. I have heard that some folks carry them in the seatpost. I have also jammed them into the handlebar. That required bending them a lot, but they straighten back out easy enough and are none the worse for the wear as long as the bends are even somewhat gradual.

I also carry a unior cassette ******* to remove the freewheel since it is usually the drive side rear spokes that have a problem. It weighs less than an ounce and was pretty cheap. Make sure the cassette lock ring isn't too tight before the start of the trip.

Oh, and I have always been able to pick one spoke size that will work in all three places (drive side rear, non drive side rear, and front). I pick a size that will engage at least several threads in the longest place and not stick through the rim in the shortest place. That may not be possible on all bikes, but I have done it successfully on several different ones.
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Thanks for your response, quite helpful. with regards to the spokes where do you store them since they are a bit long and may get bent in the panniers?
I store my spare spokes in the seatpost, they are wrapped together with some metal twist ties like you have on bread wrappers. I use a wine cork to keep them in the seatpost. When the wine cork shrunk and did not fit as tight, I wrapped some electrical tape around it to make if fit tighter.

If you have flat bars instead of drop bars, you might be able to shove them in there. If they get slightly bent in a handlebar, not a problem since you would bend them even more in the process of putting one on a wheel.

If you do not have the tools to pull the cassette off, you might not be able to install a new spoke if you find you need it. I filed two flats down on my cassette removal tool so that I could use a smaller crescent wrench on it. I also do not carry a chain whip, a short piece of chain and a bit of cord can substitute for a chain whip. This probably is not really necessary, if you will be in areas with bike repair shops but only you can decide if this type of equipment is worth carrying or not. More on the cord with short section of chain here:
http://www.bikeforums.net/touring/80...ip-travel.html

I did not look too hard at your list, I am sure others will provide plenty of advice. But I have a few suggested additions. The disposable gloves that medical professionals use can come in really handy if you have to do a messy repair on a bike to keep your hands clean for when you are finished. Sometimes an innertube failure is where the stem is attached to the rubber, a patch can't fix that. I like to carry two spare tubes. If you travel in wet weather, you may want some lube for your chains. Some of the more complete bike multi-tools also include a spoke wrench, I carry either a Crank Bros 17 or a Toppeak Alien Two multitool, a separate spoke wrench should not be necessary. I like to carry a spare quick link for a chain, but it has to be the right one for your chain.
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I have taped them to the rack. I have heard that some folks carry them in the seatpost. I have also jammed them into the handlebar. That required bending them a lot, but they straighten back out easy enough and are none the worse for the wear as long as the bends are even somewhat gradual.

I also carry a unior cassette ******* to remove the freewheel since it is usually the drive side rear spokes that have a problem. It weighs less than an ounce and was pretty cheap. Make sure the cassette lock ring isn't too tight before the start of the trip.

Oh, and I have always been able to pick one spoke size that will work in all three places (drive side rear, non drive side rear, and front). I pick a size that will engage at least several threads in the longest place and not stick through the rim in the shortest place. That may not be possible on all bikes, but I have done it successfully on several different ones.
Gotta love the brainless sensor ship. The tool is a Unior Cassette C-r-a-c-k-e-r. I see it is out of stock at Harris Cyclery, not sure where to find one. There is also the Stein one, but it is a little heavier and a lot more expensive. Robot Check
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I have taped them to the rack. I have heard that some folks carry them in the seatpost. I have also jammed them into the handlebar. That required bending them a lot, but they straighten back out easy enough and are none the worse for the wear as long as the bends are even somewhat gradual.

I also carry a unior cassette ******* to remove the freewheel since it is usually the drive side rear spokes that have a problem. It weighs less than an ounce and was pretty cheap. Make sure the cassette lock ring isn't too tight before the start of the trip.

Oh, and I have always been able to pick one spoke size that will work in all three places (drive side rear, non drive side rear, and front). I pick a size that will engage at least several threads in the longest place and not stick through the rim in the shortest place. That may not be possible on all bikes, but I have done it successfully on several different ones.
Gotta love the brainless sensor ship. The tool is a Unior Cassette C-r-a-c-k-e-r. I see it is out of stock at Harris Cyclery, not sure where to find one. There is also the Stein one, but it is a little heavier and a lot more expensive. Amazon.com : Stein Mini Cassette Lockring Driver : Bike Hand Tools : Sports & Outdoors
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I disagree on the advice in post no. 2 not to carry a spare tire. I've been on 2 major tours where I would have been stranded had I not carried a spare tire. You can limp through pretty much any mechanical problem you deal with until you hit a shop other than your tires and tubes. Carry spare tubes, patch kit, and a spare tire.

I agree with others that you want to cut down your list. Do you need 2 pairs of non-biking shoes for example?

Putting all this stuff together and weighing it will be helpful. You may be a bit staggered by how much all this weighs.

Insofar as the capacity of your bags are concerned, there are some rules of thumb used for hiking that are useful but don't exactly translate over to bike touring:

How to Choose a Backpack - REI Expert Advice

You don't need to carry as much food cycling as you do hiking and the top of the rack gives you a lot of capacity to lash things. On the other hand, you need tools, spare tubes, tire, etc. While this is not quite an apples to apples comparison, it is a useful chart.

I'd take a good look at Jandd bags. Their gear is reasonably priced and very, very well made. I've used it extensively bike touring, backpacking, and traveling. The stuff works. It isn't waterproof but that is not, IMHO, a big deal. Most people on this list will tell you to get Ortliebs because they're waterproof though.

I put everything in plastic bags before they go into my panniers. That way everything is organized and it stays dry when I take it out even if it's raining. I also like the way Jandd bags expand out which means you have extra room to put in your day's food:

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also while on tour how often should ibe be cleaning and re lubin my chain and cassette, since I will be staying on clean dirt free roads?
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also while on tour how often should ibe be cleaning and re lubin my chain and cassette, since I will be staying on clean dirt free roads?
My approach is to apply lube and wipe off, no other cleaning required 99% of the time. I usually lube my chain every few days or so if I think about it. The 1% of the time that I do any additional cleaning is when/if I get a lot of sand on the drive train. Then I rinse with plain water or a quick spray down with WD40 followed by relubing. If I use water I wait for it to dry before relubing.
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sorry about all the noobie questions
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No problem. We were all there at one time. You will find that answers you get will vary with the experiences and touring styles of those who respond to your questions.

My strongest suggestion is that you err on the side of taking less rather than more. Remember that if you really miss something you can probably buy it along the way and most stuff you can do without. Also many (most?) folks wind up mailing stuff home or throwing things away on their first tour.

I don't know anything about touring conditions where you will be travelling, so that may make a difference depending on how far apart towns are and how hard it would be to find parts or to hitch a ride or walk to the next town if need be.
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I don't do loaded touring, nor have I done a 4,000km tour. Nevertheless, I have done about 1,500km tours repeatedly. I'd suggest that a newbie starts with loaded bike for a 80 km day ride to see how the loaded bike appeals to the rider. After paring down the load, do another 2 nights tour as a dress rehearsal of the full tour.
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also while on tour how often should ibe be cleaning and re lubin my chain and cassette, since I will be staying on clean dirt free roads?
I lube my chain when it is noisy. This is more common in wet weather. If unsure, lube it. After a lot of miles and after lubing a chain several times, you will get to know what a noisy drive train sounds like. Assuming you will be in places where you can get restaurant napkins, rest room paper towels, there should be no need to carry a supply of stuff to wipe off chains. If I do not have anything handy to wipe the chain, it goes unwiped after I add oil. On my last trip, my bottle of chain lube leaked pretty bad. Fortunately I had it in a zip lock and had that in a separate bottle (a tall prescription pill bottle to protect it), so none of my gear got soaked in oil. If you have rim brakes, be careful to make sure no lube gets on the rim, same for disk if you have disk brakes.

One more thing for your list, a few extra M5 bolts in case a rack bolt or fender bolt falls out. I recommend blue locktite on all rack bolts. I carry a few bolts threaded into the back sides of threaded rack bosses on my frame to store them there. One of my spare bolts is a countersunk shoe cleat bolt.

I clean my chain and cassette when I get home, not before.
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You don't need to carry as much food cycling as you do hiking
but when you restock in shops, food comes in a certain size, eg rice,oil, vegetables, bread. You need space to carry food.

I like bar bags for valuables, personal stuff and map holder. Easy to remove and carry for off bike use.
I carry a small, 15L un-paddded duffel/backpack for extra volume, off bike use, carrying waterproofs in showers also as a pillow.
All puncture repair tools are personal kit, not group kit
I tape spokes to the non-drive chainstay. Use long bolts on your waterbottle to act as additional rack replacement bolts.
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but when you restock in shops, food comes in a certain size, eg rice,oil, vegetables, bread. You need space to carry food.

I like bar bags for valuables, personal stuff and map holder. Easy to remove and carry for off bike use.
I carry a small, 15L un-paddded duffel/backpack for extra volume, off bike use, carrying waterproofs in showers also as a pillow.
I agree. That's why I like bags that can be expanded out if needed. A small, lightweight rucksack is good as well. I've used handlebar bags for valuables as well; a fanny pack also works well for this purpose.

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but when you restock in shops, food comes in a certain size, eg rice,oil, vegetables, bread. You need space to carry food.
I buy 2D food......so I buy flat bread or tortillas, regular bread is bulky. Most stores have couscous, it cooks faster than other pastas and most rice and can be found in smallish portions.
Cheese and salami are tasty and dense calories. Some salami added along with the couscous to boiling water makes for a quick tasty meal. Raman comes in individual packets. vegetables
can be bought in small quantities, buy just enough for one meal.
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I would be a but against giving up my hoochie/tarp I am planning on using it to cover my bike and gear at night since is got a camouflage pattern on it
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thanks for the advice given, with it I have gotten my list down to the following:

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[TD]1 pair runners (for riding in)
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[TD]thermal bottom and top
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[TD]shower caps x2 (waterproof helmet and also for leather seat)
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[TD]Mirco Fiber towel/or hand towel
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[TD]Long sleeve over shirt
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[TD]1 toiletry bag with shampoo, toothbrush, etc
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[TD]sleeping bag
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I have decided I am going to buy everything I need to put in the panniers, figure out how much space I need for it all then buy the panniers Roller Back City panniers if I can fit it all
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I have decided I am going to buy everything I need to put in the panniers, figure out how much space I need for it all then buy the panniers Roller Back City panniers if I can fit it all
Probably a good way to go.
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I have decided I am going to buy everything I need to put in the panniers, figure out how much space I need for it all then buy the panniers Roller Back City panniers if I can fit it all
The city version of the panniers are less forgiving on volume, the regular backrollers can be loaded less than full by rolling the top over a few more times. You might want to compare both city and regular in a store.

Leave some empty space for food for when you go shopping.
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The city version of the panniers are less forgiving on volume, the regular backrollers can be loaded less than full by rolling the top over a few more times. You might want to compare both city and regular in a store.

Leave some empty space for food for when you go shopping.
unfortunately there are no shops near me where I can check out Ortlieb panners, or any other panniers for that matter, so I have to order them online, I am thinking the cities because they are the lightest, I am pretty sure I can fit all my gear in 40L(I only plan to take rear panniers to save on the added weight of front panniers and a front rack), all up about 21kg of gear.

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