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Old 01-25-15, 01:52 PM
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Seeking wheel-build rim recommendation

I'm planning to get a Shutter Precision dynamo hub wheel built. I am waiting for the new SV-9 model to become available. As I plan, I am seeking a rim recommendation. Assuming that the SV-9 will be available in 36 hole, here are my facts and specifications:

I am a light-weight camping tourer, riding a vintage 4130 chromoly traditional steel frame with 700c wheels. I weigh 155. My total gear weight including panniers is about 15 pounds. I use front and back panniers, and prefer to put about 60 to 70% of the weight load on the front wheel. Bike is about 28 pounds. I like to run 35 to 38mm clinchers, presta valve. Please suggest a good touring rim that will be robust enough for touring on unpaved bike paths but not concrete-heavy.

Please suggest some rim options for me.
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Look into Velocity Dyads. I'm pretty close to your weight and gear/bike weight and researched this about a year ago when looking to build a set of wheels that were light-ish, but still stout enough for touring. That was the conclusion I came to. I had some wheels built with them and they've served me well on gravel rail-to-trails out to local camp-grounds and a tour down the west coast. I actually carried probably ~15lbs more gear than you down the coast and did hit at least one unexpected pot-hole(person leading swerved at the last second and I had no way to know in time to go around...) that was enough to pinch flat my rear tube instantly, but the rim was totally fine. Also, if you're looking for light tires and aren't running Vitoria Hypers, look into those too. They're fast and light for a touring tire, and I've done hundreds of rail-to-trails miles on them in 700x32c with zero problems. Going up to a 700x35/38 would just increase your traction and smooth the ride even more. They'll be great as long as you don't have slick mud on the trails you ride. In that case I'd maybe go for something with more tread.
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The total weight sounds low.
The 35mm tires are pretty big tires. However, also consider the Velocity A23, which is also available in Off Center which helps with the spoke tension. Several other brands including DT also sell off-center or asymmetric rims.

Anyway, just about any rim should work for a sub-200 lb rider/bike setup, although I'd probably avoid the 19/20 width rims with the extra wide tires.
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Sun CR 18 are modestly Priced and quite reliable if wheel build is kept tensioned and trued. I have a 406 - 47 tire on the 20" size so wider tires are Fine.

My 700 build I got the Sun Rhyno , may not be sold now .. the Rhyno Light is a different extrusion.

Previous was a Mavic Mod 4 , sold the Built wheels still in fine shape after many tours ..

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Also, if you're looking for light tires and aren't running Vitoria Hypers, look into those too. They're fast and light for a touring tire, and I've done hundreds of rail-to-trails miles on them in 700x32c with zero problems. Going up to a 700x35/38 would just increase your traction and smooth the ride even more. They'll be great as long as you don't have slick mud on the trails you ride. In that case I'd maybe go for something with more tread.
Yes, great tires. I run Vittoria Randonneur Hypers on most unpaved trails and Vittoria Randonneur Trail tires for the C&O Canal, due to the sometimes crappy conditions. The Randonneur Trail tires run pretty smoothly on good pavement, and the grip is fantastic on wet hard-packed mud and other slick surfaces, and the tread is not so aggressive to catch and hold lots of mud. A great compromise. I don't think the Randonneur Hyper is available anymore, though. I have a pair with about 4,000 miles on them and they still have some life left in them. Nice.
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I run Mavic A719 front and rear on my 700c touring bike. I have been consistenly using 37mm tires.

Any reason you are getting a 2.4 watt model? I do not use a dyno driven tail light, but I wanted more power for charging electronics, that is why I bought their PV-8.
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Teh Velocity Dyad is an excellent rin and we ride a 40 hole set on our touring tndem that carries 350 pounds all of the time. It is actually more than you need. The Mavic A719 is also a good rim but I think a bit heavier that teh Veociit.
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Did they stop making Hypers??? I'll have to look into it and maybe stock up. If nothing else, you can still find them online.

Edit: Hypers are still on their website, so hopefully they're still making them.

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Another fan of Velocity Dyads here.
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
I run Mavic A719 front and rear on my 700c touring bike. I have been consistenly using 37mm tires.

Any reason you are getting a 2.4 watt model? I do not use a dyno driven tail light, but I wanted more power for charging electronics, that is why I bought their PV-8.
Here is copy/paste from Shutter Precision's website about the 9-series: The SP 9 series offers 6V3W output for 646mm(26”) and 716mm(28”) speed at 16.7km/h and 18.6km/h respectively.

I will be running the 9-series on a 700c wheel (622mm diameter) and will have plenty of juice, from my interpretation of their site.
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Originally Posted by motorapido
Here is copy/paste from Shutter Precision's website about the 9-series: The SP 9 series offers 6V3W output for 646mm(26”) and 716mm(28”) speed at 16.7km/h and 18.6km/h respectively.

I will be running the 9-series on a 700c wheel (622mm diameter) and will have plenty of juice, from my interpretation of their site.
I am a little bit confused by their site, this page on their site lists the SV-9 at 2.4w for a 700c wheel, 3w for 20 inch. I think what they are saying is that this model will reach 3w on a 700c wheel but you have to be going faster. But I really do not understand the German rules that it is designed to satisfy.
https://www.sp-dynamo.com/9-series-pic/SV-9-QR-00.pdf

This page is for the SV-8 hub, this also lists the hub at 3w for 20 inch, 2.4 at 700c.
https://www.sp-dynamo.com/8-series-pic/SV-8-FBQR-00.pdf

I am running the PV-8, this page lists that as a full 3 watts.
https://www.sp-dynamo.com/8-series-pic/PV-8-QR-01.pdf

My interpretation of the above is that the letter S indicates that it is a 2.4 watt (for 700c) model, but at faster speeds it puts out 3 watts. And I interpret the PV-8 to put out more wattage, or a full 3 watts at slower speed. And it appears that they do not (yet?) make a PV-9 model for the higher wattage.

If you are curious, there is no perceptible drag if my light is on or off.

An FYI. I plan to use my hub on two different bikes, I zip tied wire to the fork leg of each. I bought a spare Shimano plug, it fits on the SP Dynamo connector on the hub just fine. This way if I switch wheels, the bike is ready to plug into the hub after I make the swap. If you plan to use this hub on more than one bike, that is an option you might consider.

Whichever hub you get, I am sure you will be quite happy with it.
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Velocity Dyads are good heavy duty touring rims. For a sturdy low cost rim I like Sun CR 18s which run about $25 +/-. Dyads are priced about twice that amount. Can't go wrong with either rim if the wheel is properly built and tensioned.
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Dyad. I have built wheels with Sun CR18, Alex Adventurer, and others. The Dyad (and Aerohead) are the easiest wheels to build because the rims are round and flat, worth extra cost to me. The CR18 takes a bit longer to build, and the spoke tensions are not as well matched as a wheel with a Dyad for the same runout (wobble). The Adventurer is better than the CR18 in roundness and flatness. The LHT comes stock with the Adventurer rim.
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