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Old 03-06-15, 11:23 PM
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Hoosier boy riding from San Fran to Yorktown VA

Ill be getting on a greyhound April 4th in Bloomington Indiana with my Trek 7.2 FX with disk brakes and my Bob Yak trailer with all my gear . Takes me to Chicago's Amtrak station. A train will then take me to Oakland California where ill get off and put my ride together. I have never been in California before but I here its expensive so im going to have enough food for the first three days. Ill be using the ACA bike maps for my route.

I was wondering if anyone else is planning on doing the Western Express in the beginning of April
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Have you thought about how you are going to box your bike, and transport your trailer and gear on the train?

Good luck on your ride.
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what ACA route are you taking?

BTW, i stopped at AM/PM the other day. they offer two 1/4 pound hotdogs for two dollars. Johnsonville hotdogs or brats. your choice.


or these, but bigger...

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Originally Posted by Doug64 View Post
Have you thought about how you are going to box your bike, and transport your trailer and gear on the train?

Good luck on your ride.
I've got the boxing of the bike and trailer down pat. I like to do this myself so I can be more efficient in putting it together on the other side . I've talked with about three different amtrak and greyhound employees over the phone. Quite helpful.

I have my address information well written on both the inside and outside of the bike box and trailer box. I can even stuff some sleeping gear in them.
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Food isn't particularly expensive in CA. Lodging is expensive. Don't sweat a few dollars and miss out on experiences, there will be plenty of days when PB&J is your only option.

Get some Mexican food in California, from somewhere Mexican people are eating.
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...Get some Mexican food in California, from somewhere Mexican people are eating.
Too funny, you should venture out to the heartland. Most towns in the farm belt have large Mexican populations with great Mexican restaurants. Back in my Midwestern town the local Mexican restaurant is a melting pot, just families enjoying food with no acknowledgement of races. Then I moved north of Denver, very mediocre Mexican food. I don't miss the weather and job market back there, the Mexican food is some of the best I've had.
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Fort Mason Hostel in SF is a relatively cheap stay , but it does require joining IYHA (1 year membership) Hi international

NB: SF Bay Amtrak station is in Oakland Emeryville, not in San Francisco.


I was wondering if anyone else is planning on doing the Western Express in the beginning of April
Also, go to https://www.adventurecycling.org/adve...anions-wanted/ & post there ..

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The Western Express route starts at the Golden Gate Bridge. Ill take a ferry to Vallejo and then ride through to Pueblo, CO. about 1250 miles. Then from Colorado through Kansas,Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and then Virginia.
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I would say the Western Express route starts at the ferry building, not the GG Bridge. They are several miles apart.

Be prepared for some hard climbing in the first few days. The climb from Sacramento to Carson Pass is very challenging. There are no services from Jenenson Lake (where there is camping, I believe) to just past Kirkwood, where there is a diner. You should be able to wild camp along the road next to the Mormon Emigrant Trail but it will likely be cold.

Also, I didn't go through Pollack Pines on my way from Placerville to Kirkwood, as I didn't want to do the extra climbing just to end up at Jenkenson Lake, anyway.

I wrote a journal of my ride from SF to Carson City and back on Western Express Trail, if you are interested.
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It does sound like you have all the plans made and tickets bought - - but - -
Early April is early for the Sierra Nevada Mountains, for much of Nevada.
And late April may be early for southern Utah while early May is likely way early for Colorado.

I've been snowed on and cycled thru brutally cold conditions at the end of May.
This season has been abnormally warm on the Pacific Coast, average in the Rockies.
Still, that doesn't mean there can't be a late cold snap.

The California Snow Lab near Donner Pass is at 7000 feet, Carson Pass is 8500 ft.
For April, CSL averages a high of 50 and a low of 26 with 33 inches of snow for the month.
If you are leaving in early April, you will likely be on the lower end of these averages.

Ely is an oasis after miles of empty Nevada riding - which I love - but still damn empty.
For April, Ely's numbers are avg. high - 57, avg. low - 27, ave snow - 6.5 inches.
And you would probably be in Ely around mid-April.

Even Colorado would be iffy, because, although May, winter holds on longer in the Rockies.
Trust me, Gunnison is high and cold - and heavy snow is quite possible in early May.
Gunnison's numbers for May are high - 66, low - 29, snow - only one inch.
But remember, Gunnison is in the valley - higher up is colder and snowier.

<<<>>>

In addition there is the issue of snow already on the ground.
Although it has been a terrible snow year in the Sierras, most campgrounds will still be closed.
You mentioned trying to ride on a budget - but you will likely have to do more motels.
Yes, you can camp for free on public lands, but snow camping is no picnic for the inexperienced.

Here's a photo of what Sonora Pass looked like at the END of May in 2002 - -



I would urge you to use extreme caution since you are not familiar with the West.
The West is magical, but can be unforgiving.
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Here's a photo of what Sonora Pass looked like at the END of May in 2002 - -



I would urge you to use extreme caution since you are not familiar with the West.
The West is magical, but can be unforgiving.
I wouldn't be too worried about snow on the ground anywhere in the Sierra. This year is the third straight year of horrific drought and the snow pack is a record low. It may be cold, perhaps not by Indiana standards, but water, frozen or not, is in very short supply. If there is a surprise late spring snow event, you'll be the only person among the forty million people in the state who isn't enjoying it.
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in my previous post, i asked what ACA route the OP was taking because i feared that unless the route headed to San Diego or close to it, in April, things could get ugly in a hurry.

don't want to come off as a naysayer or wet-blanket, but i have to say that i wouldn't consider even riding my motorcycle through Eastern California, Central Nevada, Southern Utah (especially the Cedar Breaks National Monument) or Central Colorado anytime in April or May. if the OP is well seasoned with touring in cold conditions... then maybe, but if i wanted to enjoy myself on the Western Express route on a bike i wouldn't leave SF until the beginning of June.

if i had to leave in early April from San Francisco, i would head south, preferably to San Diego, but i might cross the Sierras at Walker Pass near Lake Isabella or maybe Tehachapi and into the Mohave. then head for Parker Nv, Wickenburg Az, and Phoenix, then El Paso. make my way to the Natchez Trace and from Nashville figure out what's the easiest way to Virginia.

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Old 03-07-15, 11:54 PM
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Don't worry about food, there's also plenty of dollar stores in CA before you reach the Sierra. You may need to carry food crossing the mountains that early in the year, most summer campgrounds and resorts will be closed. I'd do it later in the year, myself.
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You're right. Ill set it back a month to a month and a half.
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Originally Posted by Mr IGH View Post
Most towns in the farm belt have large Mexican populations with great Mexican restaurants.
Maybe luck of the draw, but my experience has been different. I ate in a couple Mexican restaurants in small towns in Kansas and the food I was served was a bland substitute for Mexican food. I wondered if I might have been served blander food because they were catering to an anglo palate and maybe they spice it up more for their Mexican customers.

I have had good Mexican food in California, but the most authentic was in El Paso TX in little places where neither the help nor the customers tended to speak much/any English.

On the original question, I have not found the food to be especially expensive in most of California. There were a few places on the coast that were stupid expensive, but I don't think that should be an issue for the proposed route.
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Mid-May is an excellent time to start - -
The lower elevations won't be too hot yet -
And the mountain passes will be mostly snow-free.
Plus, nearly all of facilities will be open - Memorial Day at the latest.
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Let me know if you want to go for a training ride--I'm also in Bloomington.
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Justinknies, how are your plans coming? What is your basic idea for the trip -- your personal modus operandi? What are you looking for in terms of company? It does sound like late May might be a better window.
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I got snowed on at Cedar Breaks and Escalante Staircase in Utah the first week of June, during one of my bike tours. The snow was actually an improvement over the 33-34 degrees with rain.... Then, on the same ride in late June in the Colorado Rockies, we had a couple nights below freezing. April could be unbearable in the Sierras.

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Justinknies, how are your plans coming? What is your basic idea for the trip -- your personal modus operandi? What are you looking for in terms of company? It does sound like late May might be a better window.
things are going really well. the only thing I need to do is leave really.
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Justin -
You are not going to have any snow this year to worry about if you leave in May.
Certainly not in California, Nevada, or southern Utah.
Your timing for the West should be ab out as perfect as you can get - -
Considering that Western weather is so unpredictable.
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Originally Posted by jamawani View Post
Justin -
You are not going to have any snow this year to worry about if you leave in May.
Certainly not in California, Nevada, or southern Utah.
Your timing for the West should be ab out as perfect as you can get - -
Considering that Western weather is so unpredictable.
I'm glad to here this. I live in an area where in the winter it gets to be about 0 degrees. The winter is finally over but snow has always been a friend of mine and I don't mind cold weather which I miss every year it when it goes away.

The one thing I've been wondering about is hydration. I have my MSR water filter and I plan on using it wherever I can.
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You really shouldn't have any problems in Nevada/Utah if you plan well.

I have posted a list of water locations in Nevada on the Western Express a number of times - -

<<<>>>

Usually there's not much water - ON - the highway - sometimes a few puddles after a storm.
I've done U.S. 50 a couple of times - actually it's not the "Loneliest Road" - U.S. 6 is emptier.
What about water?

From Fallon, Nevada to Milford, Utah there are some long empty stretches - especially for city folk.
Here's a rundown on places with water:
>>Fallon
Salt Wells House of Ill-Repute (I'm sure they have water, but I didn't stop in.) Now closed.
Sand Mountain Campground (lots of dune buggies and ATVs - yuchh!)
Middlegate Store and Campground (At the junction of US 50 and NV 361)
Cold Springs (Last time I was thru - the owner had just died - don't know if it's reopened.)
[Nothing on the Carroll Summit Alternate - but there is a ranch halfway on the big curve.]
>>Austin
Scott Summit Campground (Last time thru had no water, but car campers should give you some.) (Water fixed.)
Hickison Petroglyphs (No water, if there are other visitors, you can mooch some water.)
>>Eureka
Store at Jct of NV 892 (Closed)
Illipah Reservoir (Again, no water, but you should be able to beg some.)
>>Ely
Major's Place (Reopened a couple of years ago - great view from front porch!)
>>Baker
Garrison (Little store is closed - anyone at home will give you water.)
Jct of Pine Valley Road (Abandoned ranch house on NE corner - usually has gravity well running in front.) **Fabulous, cool water.
>>Milford

Here are other ideas for water - -
1. I carry four tall water bottles - two on the drop bar, two in my panniers. I keep a wet sock on my drop bar bottles to keep the water cold.
2. Whenever you see a road crew or utility crew working - stop and ask for water. They always have big coolers and seem to like the chance to take a break and chat.
3. Stop at the pull-outs on the top of the passes. You'll probably want to, anyway. Hang around for 10 or 15 minutes. Tourists often stop for photos or personal needs. Ask for water.
4. If you see a windmill close to the road, it will usually be pumping water for cattle. No, don't dip your bottle in the cow tank - put it under the pipe as cool, fresh water comes up from the well.
5. As a last resort - hold a water bottle outstretched as cars comes by.
You should do 2, 3, 4,and 5 BEFORE you run out of water.

<<<>>>

The rest stop halfway between Austin and Eureka has no water, but people stop.
If you take a moderate break there, you can ask people for water.
Same goes for the top of passes - you will want to stop for a break, anyhoo.

A number of folks have continued to post about the water at the abandoned house in the Wah Wah Valley -
That's a bit more than halfway between Baker and Milford - only tree for 90 miles - can't miss it.
The tree is usually full of singing birds and the water is cold and sweet.
<<<>>>

I carried 4 tall water bottles - sometimes added a couple in my back panniers.
If it is going to be 98 degrees - start at sunrise and avoid the hottest part of the day.

I also carry a water filter - - but the problem is the availability of water, period.
About the only place that comes to mind is Hite Crossing on Lake Powell.
The camp store there has really been hit and miss over the past few years.
There is potable water at the campground on the east side of the bridge.

Unless you plan to hike into the backcountry -
I'm not sure if a water filter is an essential item - ask others.

For a Hoosier boy, you will love riding in the West -
Will be dry this year, but the stunning vistas are worth it.
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Originally Posted by jamawani View Post
You really shouldn't have any problems in Nevada/Utah if you plan well.

I have posted a list of water locations in Nevada on the Western Express a number of times - -

<<<>>>

Usually there's not much water - ON - the highway - sometimes a few puddles after a storm.
I've done U.S. 50 a couple of times - actually it's not the "Loneliest Road" - U.S. 6 is emptier.
What about water?

From Fallon, Nevada to Milford, Utah there are some long empty stretches - especially for city folk.
Here's a rundown on places with water:
>>Fallon
Salt Wells House of Ill-Repute (I'm sure they have water, but I didn't stop in.) Now closed.
Sand Mountain Campground (lots of dune buggies and ATVs - yuchh!)
Middlegate Store and Campground (At the junction of US 50 and NV 361)
Cold Springs (Last time I was thru - the owner had just died - don't know if it's reopened.)
[Nothing on the Carroll Summit Alternate - but there is a ranch halfway on the big curve.]
>>Austin
Scott Summit Campground (Last time thru had no water, but car campers should give you some.) (Water fixed.)
Hickison Petroglyphs (No water, if there are other visitors, you can mooch some water.)
>>Eureka
Store at Jct of NV 892 (Closed)
Illipah Reservoir (Again, no water, but you should be able to beg some.)
>>Ely
Major's Place (Reopened a couple of years ago - great view from front porch!)
>>Baker
Garrison (Little store is closed - anyone at home will give you water.)
Jct of Pine Valley Road (Abandoned ranch house on NE corner - usually has gravity well running in front.) **Fabulous, cool water.
>>Milford

Here are other ideas for water - -
1. I carry four tall water bottles - two on the drop bar, two in my panniers. I keep a wet sock on my drop bar bottles to keep the water cold.
2. Whenever you see a road crew or utility crew working - stop and ask for water. They always have big coolers and seem to like the chance to take a break and chat.
3. Stop at the pull-outs on the top of the passes. You'll probably want to, anyway. Hang around for 10 or 15 minutes. Tourists often stop for photos or personal needs. Ask for water.
4. If you see a windmill close to the road, it will usually be pumping water for cattle. No, don't dip your bottle in the cow tank - put it under the pipe as cool, fresh water comes up from the well.
5. As a last resort - hold a water bottle outstretched as cars comes by.
You should do 2, 3, 4,and 5 BEFORE you run out of water.

<<<>>>

The rest stop halfway between Austin and Eureka has no water, but people stop.
If you take a moderate break there, you can ask people for water.
Same goes for the top of passes - you will want to stop for a break, anyhoo.

A number of folks have continued to post about the water at the abandoned house in the Wah Wah Valley -
That's a bit more than halfway between Baker and Milford - only tree for 90 miles - can't miss it.
The tree is usually full of singing birds and the water is cold and sweet.
<<<>>>

I carried 4 tall water bottles - sometimes added a couple in my back panniers.
If it is going to be 98 degrees - start at sunrise and avoid the hottest part of the day.

I also carry a water filter - - but the problem is the availability of water, period.
About the only place that comes to mind is Hite Crossing on Lake Powell.
The camp store there has really been hit and miss over the past few years.
There is potable water at the campground on the east side of the bridge.

Unless you plan to hike into the backcountry -
I'm not sure if a water filter is an essential item - ask others.

For a Hoosier boy, you will love riding in the West -
Will be dry this year, but the stunning vistas are worth it.
very helpful. thank you.
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