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Old 03-03-18, 03:23 PM
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Great performance by the Brit women in the madison, totally bossed it.
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Originally Posted by carleton


Gold medal final
GOLD WELTE Miriam GER 33.150 (0.266" faster. Significantly faster time than in qualifying)
SILVER SHMELEVA Daria RUS 33.237 (0.002" faster. Practically identical time as qualifying)
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Bronze medal final:
BRONZE LIGTLEE Elis NED 33.484 (0.073" faster than in qualifying)
4 GRABOSCH Pauline Sophie GER 33.487 (0.03" faster than in qualifying, but not fast enough)


This relatively new format provides for upsets.
The format is different than that. After the qualifying round, there's just a final with 8 riders riding for medals - no gold or bronze final.
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And yeah - the fact that Dygert smashed Hammer's record, at sea level, is huge. The fact that she did it in qualifying, AND THEN BEAT HER OWN RECORD AGAIN in the final, is just jaw-dropping.

Get her to Aguascalientes or something and see what she can do...

She is seriously a legend in the making - it's really special to watch her career.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
The format is different than that. After the qualifying round, there's just a final with 8 riders riding for medals - no gold or bronze final.
Thanks for the correction. I’m obviously confused.
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Aerobar vs. drops still very much up in the air in the 500m, winner on drops, silver and bronze on skis.
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Originally Posted by Poppit
Apparently they had to tweak Charlie's set up but Dan got his through ok, eventually.
What I've heard was the UCI "clarified" the position of the pads for the aerobars which effected the 10cm final position of the extensions.
The kgf guys interpretation and until recently he accepted view was that the 10cm started from the pads highest point, which if angled was the front of it, giving you 2-3cm extra at the extension.
UCI essentially said the height will be measured from the middle of the pads from now on
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3 under a minute in kilo final qualifiers, Hoogland leading Glaetzer and Bos, that track must be freaky fast right now!
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke
3 under a minute in kilo final qualifiers, Hoogland leading Glaetzer and Bos, that track must be freaky fast right now!
AND IN THE FINALS! just ridiculous. I thought Hoogland was going to smash the time but he tied up SO hard on 4.
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Does Dygert do any bunch racing?
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Apparently the official that was hit has bleeding on brain and is in an induced coma

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Not really no. She's raced some stage races and such on the road (won the young rider classification in ToC in 2016) but AFAIK has never really done much mass start racing on the track.
Seems a shame to have that engine and not give it a go. Although still young and plenty of time left.
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Originally Posted by zizou
Apparently the official that was hit has bleeding on brain and is in an induced coma
What happened?
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Some interesting things from the photos:

I think I suggested in some post somewhere to take a paint pen and draw an outline of your cleat on your shoe so that cleat swaps are fast and you can also spot if it has moved. Hoogland does it:


Also note the Shimano red (0-float) cleat

If I remember correctly, Hoogland was almost always on orange nylon straps. He's using NJS straps now:




Jeeez look at this tuck...in a KILO no less. This guy is the most flexible sprinter I've ever seen:
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
And yeah - the fact that Dygert smashed Hammer's record, at sea level, is huge. The fact that she did it in qualifying, AND THEN BEAT HER OWN RECORD AGAIN in the final, is just jaw-dropping.

Get her to Aguascalientes or something and see what she can do...

She is seriously a legend in the making - it's really special to watch her career.
Wow, you can say (all) that again....
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Epic post-race implosion by Hoogland as well, he could barely make the medal ceremony! OUCH
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Originally Posted by carleton
What happened?

During the scratch race in the womens omnium an official came onto the track to kick a bit of debris away coming out of the corner, he saw where the group of riders were but missed that a rider from Hong Kong was off the front. What compounded the error was that when he was coming off he was looking to the right (to see whatever he had kicked was off the track surface) rather than left to where the riders were approaching from - he was above the red at this point so the rider dropped to the cote d'azur to avoid but he then stepped in front.
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This was brought up on the FB endurance/omnium group.

Sponge placement? To my knowledge there isn't a "defined" rule to where they must be, but it does seem like an advantage if they are backed off the edge of the cote...yeah?
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Originally Posted by Morelock
This was brought up on the FB endurance/omnium group.

Sponge placement? To my knowledge there isn't a "defined" rule to where they must be, but it does seem like an advantage if they are backed off the edge of the cote...yeah?
When I've raced pursuit they've always been flush with the edge of the cote, not spaced down like they were in Apeldoorn, don't think I've ever seen them like that before.

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Originally Posted by Poppit
When I've raced pursuit they've always been flush with the edge of the cote, not spaced down like they were in Apeldoorn, don't think I've ever seen them like that before.
BTW, the UCI reg says this:

The blue bands shall be made impassable round the bankings by the placing every 5 metres of 50 cm long pads of a synthetic material.

So I think they got it wrong!
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interesting. Although you could interpret "making the blue bands impassable" as just making it impossible to cross them.

This was brought up a while back as well when Milton had their "Day of the Hour" and the pads were also positioned off the line.
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Originally Posted by zizou
During the scratch race in the womens omnium an official came onto the track to kick a bit of debris away coming out of the corner, he saw where the group of riders were but missed that a rider from Hong Kong was off the front. What compounded the error was that when he was coming off he was looking to the right (to see whatever he had kicked was off the track surface) rather than left to where the riders were approaching from - he was above the red at this point so the rider dropped to the cote d'azur to avoid but he then stepped in front.
Damn. I hope he gets better soon.

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interesting. Although you could interpret "making the blue bands impassable" as just making it impossible to cross them.

This was brought up a while back as well when Milton had their "Day of the Hour" and the pads were also positioned off the line.
Maybe it's a cheeky way for them to "speed up" the track.
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Originally Posted by carleton
Damn. I hope he gets better soon.



Maybe it's a cheeky way for them to "speed up" the track.
When you look at that picture above (obviously only a snapshot of a ride) it *could* help set a record if you could successfully navigate the brown instead of the black.

Interesting it's come up twice in a few months in regards to record rides.
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Originally Posted by Morelock
When you look at that picture above (obviously only a snapshot of a ride) it *could* help set a record if you could successfully navigate the brown instead of the black.

Interesting it's come up twice in a few months in regards to record rides.
I'm not a pursuiter by any means, but I've seen deliberate path techniques where a rider will:
- Ride wide of the black line down the straights, and
- Ride under the black line in the turns


My guess is that this helps mitigate the speed losses in the turns by making the path less cigar-shaped and more oval shaped.

Marginal gains.

Having the pads further inside, off the track helps even more.

On a related note, I think that riding a great line is often the difference between winning and losing.
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More notes from photos:

Narrow bars for the Madison continue to be acceptable:


(I still think this riding position should be illegal at all levels.)

Hoogland won the Kilo and he and his teammates won the Team Sprint World Championships using round seatposts (shut yo' mouth!)




...AND a 11 year old frame design AND NJS straps and 15+ (?) year old cranks.

Here is a video from 2007 when the Kimera was being developed for Bos:
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I ran sponges/pads for UCI Master Worlds in LA last year. We were told to put the sponges about 3" off of the cote. It was explained to me that it made riding on the blue impossible, but you could still be below the black line without a pedal hitting the sponge. Otherwise you can't ride below the black line if the sponges are set right on the edge. Since it is only the cote that is forbidden, this makes sense. And yes, it will affect the times if you manage to ride below the black line at all times.
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Originally Posted by spartanKid
I wonder if we're seeing the first big benefit to the "big gears" trend carry over to the kilo as well. Now it's "common knowledge" that bigger gears and lower peak cadences (none of this 160 RPM stuff) is less fatiguing and produces less fade in a F200, so it would make sense it would also apply to the kilo, provided you can still get on top of the gear.

During Glaetzer's <60 ride at Australian Nationals, it was announced he was riding 120". Not too long ago Chris Hoy was going only ~1 sec slower on a "big" 100".
His opening lap on that 120" kilo was only half a second slower than my standing lap on a 96". Made me want to sell my bike and take up croquet.
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