Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area Looking to enter into the realm of track racing? Want to share your experiences and tactics for riding on a velodrome? The Track Cycling forums is for you! Come in and discuss training/racing, equipment, and current track cycling events.

Masters Worlds 2018

Reply

Old 10-10-18, 07:44 PM
  #26  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: LA
Posts: 9,148

Bikes: Shogun Selectra, Felt TK2, Ridley Fenix AL

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 984 Post(s)
^^ Damn, that was tough to watch. Outright carnage.
seau grateau is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-18, 07:46 PM
  #27  
queerpunk
aka mattio
 
queerpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,459
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
oh yeah, you definitely want to heed the video title there.
queerpunk is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-18, 08:31 PM
  #28  
tobukog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 153
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 76 Post(s)
Congratulations Sarals! Way to represent Norcal! Bronze in the 500m!
tobukog is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-18, 09:13 PM
  #29  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: LA
Posts: 9,148

Bikes: Shogun Selectra, Felt TK2, Ridley Fenix AL

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 984 Post(s)
Originally Posted by tobukog View Post
Congratulations Sarals! Way to represent Norcal! Bronze in the 500m!
I'll second that motion. Nice work!
seau grateau is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-18, 10:19 AM
  #30  
taras0000
Senior Member
 
taras0000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 43.2330941,-79.8022037,17
Posts: 1,545
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
heh, that was fabian keiser. somebody told me that he was the guy who was responsible for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fge-LJw_iII
Keiser was the one at the back who went down just before Johnny Bairos hit the wall. In the video, it's a Venezuelan rider who co.es around and drops down on the French rider in the lead. French rider pushes pushed back as Venezuelan rider backs off, and the whole train derailed from there.
taras0000 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-18, 11:01 AM
  #31  
queerpunk
aka mattio
 
queerpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,459
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
ah. with the low-res, i couldn't make out much in the way of kits and personal details - couldn't identify the french kit and it looked like keiser's kit was a dutch kit. guess someone told me wrong.
queerpunk is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-18, 11:16 AM
  #32  
southernfox
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 275
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
Keiser was the one at the back who went down just before Johnny Bairos hit the wall. In the video, it's a Venezuelan rider who co.es around and drops down on the French rider in the lead. French rider pushes pushed back as Venezuelan rider backs off, and the whole train derailed from there.
I mean, there's 'pushing back' and 'riding the rest of the field into the rail.' Yikes. The 'chain reaction' commentary was way off: that was intentional. Racing back in the day was NUTS
southernfox is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-18, 11:19 AM
  #33  
southernfox
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 275
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Oh wow, I just watched it slowed down...2nd rider almost had his HEAD TAKEN OFF (he's the one you can clearly see out cold head first sliding down the track). That easily could have killed him or broken his neck.
southernfox is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-18, 02:26 PM
  #34  
Jared.
Uninformed Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Union County, NJ
Posts: 1,115

Bikes: Dolan Pre Cursa, Cannondale R400

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Originally Posted by southernfox View Post
Pretty shocked Keiser didn't get relegated in his first 1/4 final sprint in the 35-39.

WOW...and his 2nd one. This guy's a psycho.
Where in the stream can I find this? I skimmed the 10/8 and 10/9 feed, but must have missed this. Rought time mark if anyone has it. Thank you.
Jared. is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-18, 03:16 PM
  #35  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: LA
Posts: 9,148

Bikes: Shogun Selectra, Felt TK2, Ridley Fenix AL

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 984 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Jared. View Post
Where in the stream can I find this? I skimmed the 10/8 and 10/9 feed, but must have missed this. Rought time mark if anyone has it. Thank you.
Keiser's heat 1 is about 1:38:00 in the 10/08 video.

edit -- and second race at 2:03:00.

Last edited by seau grateau; 10-11-18 at 03:31 PM.
seau grateau is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-18, 11:21 PM
  #36  
Jared.
Uninformed Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Union County, NJ
Posts: 1,115

Bikes: Dolan Pre Cursa, Cannondale R400

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Thanks. Seems like such a waste to qualify fastest then ride like that.
Jared. is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 12:42 AM
  #37  
taras0000
Senior Member
 
taras0000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 43.2330941,-79.8022037,17
Posts: 1,545
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Jared. View Post
Thanks. Seems like such a waste to qualify fastest then ride like that.
Keiser spent almost a decade being pack fodder at the elite WC level. He's got speed and skills, and most likely an ego and insecurity about finally being able to win something, and that's most likely the reason for his behaviour.
taras0000 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 01:40 AM
  #38  
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,190
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1020 Post(s)
I've seen Cavendish do that very same move that Keiser did.

Notice how he looks back, then casually forward as he eases downtrack squeezing the guy. Cav did the same thing at the Rio Olympics and actually caused the guy to wreck.

They are expoliting the idea that they are not responsible for what happens behind them if they are doing a legal move. "Oooopsie! I didn't know anyone was there!"

And, yes, Keiser's move seemed to be legal as he was the lead rider and the sprint lane was not occupied (beside or ahead of him). A trailing rider cannot dive inside into the sprint lane and pass. They must pass on the outside.

Basically, it's a veteran trackie dick move.

(turn your volume down. loud music to avoid copyright issues)

Last edited by carleton; 10-12-18 at 01:46 AM.
carleton is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 01:49 AM
  #39  
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,190
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1020 Post(s)
Skip to the 1:30 mark here to see Hoy pull the move on Bos in 2008 for the World Championship.


Totally legal.
carleton is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 12:17 PM
  #40  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: LA
Posts: 9,148

Bikes: Shogun Selectra, Felt TK2, Ridley Fenix AL

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 984 Post(s)
Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Skip to the 1:30 mark here to see Hoy pull the move on Bos in 2008 for the World Championship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5o6Z4sOss

Totally legal.
Would you say there's a distinction to be made between this and the others? To me it seems like while Hoy was responding to a move by his opponent, shutting the door on him so to speak, Keiser and Cavendish dropped on their opponents unprovoked.
seau grateau is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 01:33 PM
  #41  
southernfox
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 275
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Broke a world record...held it for 10min...got beaten by the final rider *shrug*
southernfox is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 02:04 PM
  #42  
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,190
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1020 Post(s)
Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
Would you say there's a distinction to be made between this and the others? To me it seems like while Hoy was responding to a move by his opponent, shutting the door on him so to speak, Keiser and Cavendish dropped on their opponents unprovoked.
I would say that they are the same, with the magnitude of the moves being different (Hoy's being most dramatic and Kaiser's least).

Kaiser, knowing that his opponent isn't allowed to pass on the inside, purposely leaves the inside lane open. This is a legit strategy. It makes your opponent commit to the inside by burning a match...hit the brakes...then has to double-accelerate to come around the outside. That's hard af.


How many times have we seen light in the sprinter's lane in front of us and been lured by it...only to have it shut? That's what happened in the Hoy and Kaiser videos.
carleton is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 04:56 PM
  #43  
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,190
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1020 Post(s)
Originally Posted by southernfox View Post
Broke a world record...held it for 10min...got beaten by the final rider *shrug*
Which WR?

Your time?
carleton is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 05:42 PM
  #44  
southernfox
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 275
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
35-39 200m

It was a *really* slow 11.92. I was doing 11.7 at TTown. This was my first indoor 200m and I'm still getting used to how slow I can go without slipping, so I'm using too much energy in the windup. My splits were 0.063 apart.
southernfox is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 08:15 PM
  #45  
taras0000
Senior Member
 
taras0000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 43.2330941,-79.8022037,17
Posts: 1,545
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Originally Posted by southernfox View Post
Broke a world record...held it for 10min...got beaten by the final rider *shrug*
Congrats! Is 10 minutes long enough to qualify for a mention in the record books?
taras0000 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-18, 10:18 PM
  #46  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: LA
Posts: 9,148

Bikes: Shogun Selectra, Felt TK2, Ridley Fenix AL

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 984 Post(s)
Originally Posted by carleton View Post
I would say that they are the same, with the magnitude of the moves being different (Hoy's being most dramatic and Kaiser's least).

Kaiser, knowing that his opponent isn't allowed to pass on the inside, purposely leaves the inside lane open. This is a legit strategy. It makes your opponent commit to the inside by burning a match...hit the brakes...then has to double-accelerate to come around the outside. That's hard af.


How many times have we seen light in the sprinter's lane in front of us and been lured by it...only to have it shut? That's what happened in the Hoy and Kaiser videos.
Ahh yeah, I see what you mean. Jeez, sprinting is tough.
seau grateau is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-18, 01:37 AM
  #47  
southernfox
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 275
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
Congrats! Is 10 minutes long enough to qualify for a mention in the record books?
No idea. If I do worlds next year I plan to beat it again
southernfox is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-18, 10:56 AM
  #48  
700wheel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 513
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Originally Posted by southernfox View Post
No idea. If I do worlds next year I plan to beat it again
As I recall only one record per event is permitted in a 24 hour period.
700wheel is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-18, 11:26 AM
  #49  
Jared.
Uninformed Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Union County, NJ
Posts: 1,115

Bikes: Dolan Pre Cursa, Cannondale R400

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Originally Posted by southernfox View Post
35-39 200m

It was a *really* slow 11.92. I was doing 11.7 at TTown. This was my first indoor 200m and I'm still getting used to how slow I can go without slipping, so I'm using too much energy in the windup. My splits were 0.063 apart.
Congrats! An awesome feat regardless of how long you held it for.
Jared. is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-18, 12:19 PM
  #50  
southernfox
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 275
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Originally Posted by 700wheel View Post
As I recall only one record per event is permitted in a 24 hour period.
Maybe that's per person? Because she gets the record for beating me.
southernfox is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service